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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: Re: length of experience... |
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| 7969 wrote: |
a quick review of p.3 of this thread from last summer reveals that one of our members seemed to be in two non-contiguous provinces at the same time:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=44175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
i can understand why some contributors here may be reluctant to relate the length (and location) of their experience in china.... i know it would be difficult for me to remember where i was at any given time if i were making things up on the fly. |
Alright, ESLStudies is right..let's return to the topic.
In reading your posting regarding all of your movement (changes in job), I am just curious as to how you were able to determine that the students were reading your emails? Do you have a laptop? Were they reading the emails on your laptop? On your desktop? How could they access your emails without a password?
In any case, to return to ESLStudies thread again, I note that most of those who have posted their experiences have not exactly demonstrated job stability in China, except for a very few -- there seems to be an abundance of broken contracts, contracts terminated early, departures that may or may not be runners, and I am just wondering if that is indicative of the Chinese ESL job market, or whether, in their own respective countries, their job situations were also, shall we say, "fluid", "volatile", etc., etc.?
It goes to the heart of what I see as a certain category of foreign teachers in China...I refer to a recent post somewhere on this Board by Leon Purvis also addressing this issue?
And it reminds me of another saying by the French writer Jean de la Bruyere ... loin de coeur, loin des moeurs.. |
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eslstudies
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 1061
Location: East of Aden
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: Re: length of experience... |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| I note that most of those who have posted their experiences have not exactly demonstrated job stability in China |
Less quoting of French writers would be sweet.
But to the point of the thread Sir. How many jobs in how many years? I spilled my beans in the opening post! |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Posts: 5782
Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: length of experience... |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| 7969 wrote: |
a quick review of p.3 of this thread from last summer reveals that one of our members seemed to be in two non-contiguous provinces at the same time:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=44175&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
i can understand why some contributors here may be reluctant to relate the length (and location) of their experience in china.... i know it would be difficult for me to remember where i was at any given time if i were making things up on the fly. |
Alright, ESLStudies is right..let's return to the topic.
In reading your posting regarding all of your movement (changes in job), I am just curious as to how you were able to determine that the students were reading your emails? Do you have a laptop? Were they reading the emails on your laptop? On your desktop? How could they access your emails without a password? |
it seems you quoted a portion of my post above where i referenced a mystery poster who seemed to be highly mobile  at any rate, i'm pleased to be more substantive in my reply here.
every class at that school was outfitted with a projector and we routinely used laptops to give powerpoint presentations. how did i know the students were snooping on my laptop? i left the machine running, went to the bathroom, when i returned there was a mob around my computer nosing around through my files. they werent reading emails, that was a reference to a teacher was going through my snail mail at my home. this happened just as the school broke for 10 days of exams, i told them of my plans to leave and why. so they had that much time to replace me. whether or not they did, i dont know. the guilty parties apologized to me profusely by email and begged me to return, but by that time i was long gone. oh i did inform the head of department to call me if she wanted to discuss the matter with me in any way at all. i got a phone call 9 days later while standing in pudong airport about to board a plane for bangkok. it wasnt a bad school overall, and i dont consider that one a runner.
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| In any case, to return to ESLStudies thread again, I note that most of those who have posted their experiences have not exactly demonstrated job stability in China, except for a very few -- there seems to be an abundance of broken contracts, contracts terminated early, departures that may or may not be runners, and I am just wondering if that is indicative of the Chinese ESL job market, or whether, in their own respective countries, their job situations were also, shall we say, "fluid", "volatile", etc., etc.? |
so far on this forum, your posts show that, over the past four years, you've been employed in harbin, inner mongolia, somewhere in sichuan, and at least two places in guangzhou/guangdong (maybe there are a few more?). it would seem sir, that your own job situation, isnt, shall we say, too stable? if i'm mistaken, please correct me but the evidence is out there.
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jwbhomer
Joined: 14 Dec 2003
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Location: CANADA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, HFG. You seem to delight in poking and prodding and asking questions about others' track records -- even though it's really none of your business -- but you seem strangely reticent to tell us your own history. Either open up or shut up. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Yes, HFG. You seem to delight in poking and prodding and asking questions about others' track records -- even though it's really none of your business -- but you seem strangely reticent to tell us your own history. Either open up or shut up. |
My, my, this is a very far cry from the totally unsollicited PM that you sent me thanking me for good and helpful posts, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps I should post it...my goodness haven't we become primitive.. |
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HunanForeignGuy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006
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Location: Shanghai, PRC
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 2:41 pm Post subject: Re: length of experience... |
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| eslstudies wrote: |
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| I note that most of those who have posted their experiences have not exactly demonstrated job stability in China |
Less quoting of French writers would be sweet.
But to the point of the thread Sir. How many jobs in how many years? I spilled my beans in the opening post! |
Very well..I shall quote Seneca in the original, if you don't mind...when you attended Oxford (or what is Cambridge?), you surely must have studied the great writers...(or seriously forgive perhaps it was Sandhurst..).
As for 7969's post, there are summer camp jobs and there are full-time and there are contracts of six-months and contracts of 10-months and contracts of one calendar year.. |
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jwbhomer
Joined: 14 Dec 2003
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Location: CANADA
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| jwbhomer wrote: |
| Yes, HFG. You seem to delight in poking and prodding and asking questions about others' track records -- even though it's really none of your business -- but you seem strangely reticent to tell us your own history. Either open up or shut up. |
My, my, this is a very far cry from the totally unsollicited PM that you sent me thanking me for good and helpful posts, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps I should post it...my goodness haven't we become primitive.. |
Yes, perhaps you should post it, if you would like to open up another can of worms, i.e. your attempt to befriend a certain young lady who was considering taking a job in one of the many places you claim to have worked.
Isn't it a pity that someone who claims to have read the great Latin and French writers in the original (but who has trouble with English spelling and grammar) should be reduced to teaching at summer camps in China.
By the way, "solicit" and its compounds only have one L.
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therock
Joined: 31 Jul 2005
Posts: 1266
Location: China
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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| I consider it very normal for teacher's to move on after a completed contract. When school's are offering 4000RMB a month and in some cases offer poor working or living conditions, do you honestly think people are going to stay long term. |
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eslstudies
Joined: 17 Dec 2006
Posts: 1061
Location: East of Aden
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: length of experience... |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
Very well..I shall quote Seneca in the original, if you don't mind...when you attended Oxford (or what is Cambridge?), you surely must have studied the great writers...(or seriously forgive perhaps it was Sandhurst..).
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No, I'll leave that to the unctuous and puerily sarcastic amongst us.
I'm not certain why classical languages would be on a military academy curriculum, but I'm not really interested. As for "what is Cambridge?" 
Continued refusal to address the thread at hand may be of interest to the moderators, however. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
Posts: 5782
Location: Coastal Guangdong
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: Re: length of experience... |
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| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| As for 7969's post, there are summer camp jobs and there are full-time and there are contracts of six-months and contracts of 10-months and contracts of one calendar year.. |
yes indeed. and like you, many others take advantage of the wide variety of jobs available in china. being transient doesnt necessarily translate into "incapable of holding down a job." anyone who's got a modicum of insight into the ESL business should know how this business operates.
we could have avoided a lot of the animosity (and posts) here had you simply contributed to the thread in a more substantive way.
| HunanForeignGuy wrote: |
| jwbhomer wrote: |
| Yes, HFG. You seem to delight in poking and prodding and asking questions about others' track records -- even though it's really none of your business -- but you seem strangely reticent to tell us your own history. Either open up or shut up. |
My, my, this is a very far cry from the totally unsollicited PM that you sent me thanking me for good and helpful posts, etc., etc., etc. Perhaps I should post it...my goodness haven't we become primitive.. |
to be fair, i still have your very kind and unsolicited PM in my inbox from 3 apr 06.... and its a far cry from your recent responses to me. i wont post it here though... |
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stillnosheep
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Dear thread at hand.... |
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