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samuraiwriter
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 Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Stray Animals in Istanbul |
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| newgabe wrote: |
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Something important:
Does anyone else feel the same way? Of course you do!
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Well actually, no not everyone does. I can't stand cats and am very wary of dogs. I certainly would never have either in my house. I am researching Turkey however as I am interested in teaching there next year. I like what I have met of Turkish culture here in Australia, but reading this post reminded me of the reality of living in other countries. Are stray dogs a danger there? As in roaming in bands, rabid and so on? I know from earlier days in India how awful that can be. In my home country they have to be kept on leads in public places which gives me the chance to get away from them before they rush up and do their thing, so I don't have to encounter them very often. Cats are generally uncontrollable anywhere but at least don't force themselves on you in the same way dogs do.
Any comments about the safety (for humans) aspect of stray dogs in Turkey? |
At least you have your best interests in heart. Hopefully the numerous strays here in the city greet you warmly. Istanbul is a great place for those who dislike both cats and dogs. Schmuck. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| scot47 wrote: |
| Charity ? Some of us do cats. Some of us do people. |
As I stated. But leave your personal life out of it. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| But on my end, for this particular thread, it comes across as immature and pitiful. Do what you will, say what you like. But remember there is a time and place for everything. We take this seriously and respectfully hope that others do as well. |
So far, everyone has taken it seriously. It's been a very respectful thread. And really, when jokes do come up, I don't think they are examples of immaturity or pitifulness- sometimes you just need to make light of a situation, or to say something totally non sequitor because some of the stuff we deal with every day is stressful and heavy and this helps. It's why I do it. It makes the absurdities and frustrations of living here a bit more manageable.
As for the animals: I live with one ex street cat. I took her in as a baby a few years ago and she's thriving most excellently. I also try to leave food out for the neighbourhood cats. When I lived in Harbiye it used to break my heart walking down to Dolapdere to work because the streets down around Elmadag always had so many injured, hungry, disfigured or, well, dead cats. They have a rough life in some areas-- here in Tunel, it seems relatively sheltered: an abandoned building seems to have been unofficially given over to the cats ad dogs, food and water are put out every day, and a kind of pet door has been cut into the main door so they can get in and out without exposing the building to the elements. |
Is it still being taken seriously? |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: WHAT PETA DID |
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July 8, 2004
His Excellency Recep Tayyip Erdogan
Prime Minister of the Republic of Turkey
Basbakanlık
Ankara, Turkey
Dear Prime Minister Erdogan:
It is with great pleasure that I write to thank you and all the honorable members of the Grand National
Assembly of Turkey for passing the country�s first-ever comprehensive animal-protection law.
When I first learned from my friends at People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) that animals had no viable legal protection from cruelty and neglect in Turkey, I wrote an urgent plea for help to the previous government. Since then, I understand that PETA and other groups have been working to garner support for the measure from compassionate legislators, the European Commission, international media outlets, and Turkish citizens�and on behalf of concerned individuals everywhere, please accept my greatest appreciation for taking this first step toward protecting those who don�t have a voice of their own.
This law is a great step in the right direction, and now that it is in place, I respectfully ask that you do
everything in your power to ensure that it is fully enforced and its principles are carried out. Doing so will help reduce suffering for farmed animals and keep the country�s shelters from overcrowding and poor conditions through an effective spay, neuter, and release program. I�ll never forget one tragic scene, originally shown on Turkish television, in which a stray dog was kicked, dragged, thrown into a garbage truck, and compacted while still fully conscious. If enforced, this law should help prevent such tragedies.
Turkey is a country famous for its friendly culture and rich history. I hope that it will now be equally well known for its compassion. If �Hayvanları Koruma Kanunu� is strictly enforced, the world, including the European Union, will have no choice but to take notice.
Thank you so much for your attention to this important matter. If you have any questions, I can be reached through Cem Akın, PETA�s liaison on this issue, at 757-622-7382, extension 8013, via fax at 757-628-0784,
Or via e-mail at [email protected].
Sincerely,
Gillian Anderson
cc: Ahmet Necdet Sezer, President of the Republic of Turkey
Members of the Grand National Assembly of Turkey
Gillian Anderson
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Great post, but what since 2004? Google away. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Sheikh Inal Ovar wrote: |
| And while you're at it prolonging the lives of these flea bags can you please tell your dogs to stop barking after 10.30 and train your cats to s.hit only in your own garden - or get your pals to come round and clean up all their doings ... |
Ahh... compassion. You have a garden? Well done! |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Otterman Ollie wrote: |
| As an ardent dog lover I have little pity for the cat population of this country , they however have a higher survival rate than dogs and are capable of fending for themselves which despite my dislike of them does arouse a certain amount of respect for them . I would like to think at the very least they help to keep the real vermin population under control . I would adopt a dog tomorrow to take home but it would not be fair to the animal or my neighbours . Instead I try to show and give them a little humanity when I can . Cats just have to keep out of my way. |
Still have that whole dogs versus cats mentality huh? Wake up it is 2007 and not a Looney Tunes cartoon from the 1950's. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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Hear hear, there are far too many cats about and feeding them only encourages the populations. I think a mass culling is in order.
I really believe this. I also think all street dogs should be put down. |
Ahh... nice. Perhaps a mass culling would not be needed if proper animal control methods were adopted.
You're right, kill 'em all, let God sort them out.
Someone as ignorant as you should fear that type of Darwinism. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: SAVE THE THREAD!! |
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These little fellows live in a box on the pavement in Kadikoy, on the street of CD sellers. Go and pick one if you feel your life would benefit thereby. Me, I'd have one but there isnt enough space in my flat to swing one, so to speak.
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Cats don't need a lot of space, they need love and attention. Can you spare that? Or is taking their picture to exploit here on the message boards enough for you? Maybe you'll make a friend or two because of it!
That excuse stinks of laziness. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yaramaz got lucky with her (somewhat-of-a-hellion) kitty-- she's lovely and affectionate and, above all, highly amusing. I was way less lucky with the street kitten I took in. After about a month of being a lovely, cuddly ball of fluff, he went completely insane-- constantly bit and scratched and he was very destructive, even after he got fixed at one year old. I still have scars on my arms, and was more than happy to leave him with my roommate when I moved. Partly it wasn't the cat's fault, I think. He was probably more wild than domestic, and anyway, I really don't believe cats are meant to live in apartments where they can't go outside freely, and even if I lived somewhere my cat could go outside, I wouldn't want it in the house after having rolled in god-knows-what open trash piles and contact with the strays. I think it's even more unfair to have dogs in apartments, except maybe for very small dogs.
I'm not advocating against taking in street cats, but one should be prepared to get stuck with an animal that's more street-ish than the kind of pet you might want... |
These cats don't want or need to be adopted. They need vaccinations and neutering. This way they don't suffer a horrible death like rabies or continue to grow the problem on the streets of Istanbul and elsewhere. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Not all of us practise the Black Arts and require a familiar to live in the house. I make do with my c o c k roaches. Nice to have a fellow creature to talk to. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Still on holiday in Canada- Ottawa at the mo. Today in the middle of the city I saw a ground hog, a chip monk and a a few black squirrels. much cooler than cats and dogs. |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Hear hear, there are far too many cats about and feeding them only encourages the populations. I think a mass culling is in order.
I really believe this. I also think all street dogs should be put down. |
Ahh... nice. Perhaps a mass culling would not be needed if proper animal control methods were adopted.
You're right, kill 'em all, let God sort them out.
Someone as ignorant as you should fear that type of Darwinism. |
Like the way someone as arrogant as yourself fears having their ideas questioned?
The cat population in Istanbul is a problem, the food being left out for them and the cats themselves carry disease. If they weren't that kind of a problem, it wouldn't bother me, but it does other me when my immediate environment is invaded by cats (some breeds set off a severe asthmatic reaction in me), this happens when neighbours leave food outside the apartment, and let them into the apartment when it gets cold. I informed them that waking up in the morning and finding three or four cats next to the door is a health problem for me and I was also branded by them as cruel and ignorant. Cat people are weird.
But yeah, so you call me ignorant. Ignorant of what exactly? I'm certainly not ignorant of an ever-growing population of feral animals. You seem to think you're so clever smuggling addressing each post, but you're simply using unfounded childish insults. Why shouldn�t I believe in a mass feline-culling? If you had a c o c k roach problem, wouldn�t you call in the exterminators? |
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Otterman Ollie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah right on Baba, take the little tykes out and waste em ,filthy smelly disease ridden little blighters . I wonder how many of these pesky pests he's got living in his place ? It must ming like a fish market ! |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 7:23 am Post subject: |
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| Otterman Ollie wrote: |
| Yeah right on Baba, take the little tykes out and waste em ,filthy smelly disease ridden little blighters . I wonder how many of these pesky pests he's got living in his place ? It must ming like a fish market ! |
You should be a beat poet. |
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samuraiwriter
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| Baba Alex wrote: |
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| Baba Alex wrote: |
Hear hear, there are far too many cats about and feeding them only encourages the populations. I think a mass culling is in order.
I really believe this. I also think all street dogs should be put down. |
Ahh... nice. Perhaps a mass culling would not be needed if proper animal control methods were adopted.
You're right, kill 'em all, let God sort them out.
Someone as ignorant as you should fear that type of Darwinism. |
Like the way someone as arrogant as yourself fears having their ideas questioned?
The cat population in Istanbul is a problem, the food being left out for them and the cats themselves carry disease. If they weren't that kind of a problem, it wouldn't bother me, but it does other me when my immediate environment is invaded by cats (some breeds set off a severe asthmatic reaction in me), this happens when neighbours leave food outside the apartment, and let them into the apartment when it gets cold. I informed them that waking up in the morning and finding three or four cats next to the door is a health problem for me and I was also branded by them as cruel and ignorant. Cat people are weird.
But yeah, so you call me ignorant. Ignorant of what exactly? I'm certainly not ignorant of an ever-growing population of feral animals. You seem to think you're so clever smuggling addressing each post, but you're simply using unfounded childish insults. Why shouldn�t I believe in a mass feline-culling? If you had a c o c k roach problem, wouldn�t you call in the exterminators? |
You are ignorant in many ways, but in this thread you have shown ignorance this way: You obviously lack the education to see that a mass culling would only temporarily hide the problem. Within a few years we'd be back at the starting line with stray cats and dogs running around the city inflaming your asthma. The problem must be addressed with a bit of proactive thought, not reactionary silliness.
By the way, this post was started (and will end) with me trying to find like minded people to help out. But it invited the usual pseudo intellectual babble. That which is common in youth hostels and college dormatories around the world. Not fully formed but well on the way. Give it some time and you will be able to stand on your own two feet and walk with the rest of us. How's that for arrogance? A tip to take it to the next level would be to put down your Vole, extinguish your hash pipe, turn off Digiturk, get outside and do something. Whatever it is, whatever is important to you (besides making money) find it and participate.
If anyone wants to help out, PM me. Otherwise, see you around. Although I don't make it to Kadikoy too often. But the pazar is amazing there, so you never know. |
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