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Baba Alex
Joined: 17 Aug 2004
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Hear hear, there are far too many cats about and feeding them only encourages the populations. I think a mass culling is in order.
I really believe this. I also think all street dogs should be put down. |
Ahh... nice. Perhaps a mass culling would not be needed if proper animal control methods were adopted.
You're right, kill 'em all, let God sort them out.
Someone as ignorant as you should fear that type of Darwinism. |
Like the way someone as arrogant as yourself fears having their ideas questioned?
The cat population in Istanbul is a problem, the food being left out for them and the cats themselves carry disease. If they weren't that kind of a problem, it wouldn't bother me, but it does other me when my immediate environment is invaded by cats (some breeds set off a severe asthmatic reaction in me), this happens when neighbours leave food outside the apartment, and let them into the apartment when it gets cold. I informed them that waking up in the morning and finding three or four cats next to the door is a health problem for me and I was also branded by them as cruel and ignorant. Cat people are weird.
But yeah, so you call me ignorant. Ignorant of what exactly? I'm certainly not ignorant of an ever-growing population of feral animals. You seem to think you're so clever smuggling addressing each post, but you're simply using unfounded childish insults. Why shouldn�t I believe in a mass feline-culling? If you had a c o c k roach problem, wouldn�t you call in the exterminators? |
You are ignorant in many ways, but in this thread you have shown ignorance this way: You obviously lack the education to see that a mass culling would only temporarily hide the problem. Within a few years we'd be back at the starting line with stray cats and dogs running around the city inflaming your asthma. The problem must be addressed with a bit of proactive thought, not reactionary silliness.
By the way, this post was started (and will end) with me trying to find like minded people to help out. But it invited the usual pseudo intellectual babble. That which is common in youth hostels and college dormatories around the world. Not fully formed but well on the way. Give it some time and you will be able to stand on your own two feet and walk with the rest of us. How's that for arrogance? A tip to take it to the next level would be to put down your Vole, extinguish your hash pipe, turn off Digiturk, get outside and do something. Whatever it is, whatever is important to you (besides making money) find it and participate.
If anyone wants to help out, PM me. Otherwise, see you around. Although I don't make it to Kadikoy too often. But the pazar is amazing there, so you never know. |
A mass culling would be more than just a temporary measure, it would bring down disease spread feral populations. Such as the authorities do when other vermin start to endager human sanitation. Obviously, it's up to people to treat cats sensibly after this to ensure the street cat population does not regrow.
As for your assumptions as to who I am, what I do, how I live my life, and what I care about. You obviously don't know, and only make yourself look like an idiot by pretending you do. |
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justme
Joined: 18 May 2004
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Location: Istanbul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| Still on holiday in Canada- Ottawa at the mo. Today in the middle of the city I saw a ground hog, a chip monk and a a few black squirrels. much cooler than cats and dogs. |
I really miss other forms of wildlife... 
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| Still have that whole dogs versus cats mentality huh? Wake up it is 2007 and not a Looney Tunes cartoon from the 1950's. |
Those were simpler and more beautiful days though... If only the world could be more like Looney Toons! Okay, putting away my hash pipe and marijuana bong now...
Can't remember where I read this, too lazy to do a search, but a few years back the city collected a bunch of street dogs supposedly to vaccinate and neuter them. The city contracted this out to a private company who naturally collected their dough, then loaded hundreds of dogs into closed trucks, drove them to the outskirts of town, and did nothing with them. Just left them there. So of course the dogs died of heat and suffocation and starvation, but not before some sick carnage inside the trucks.
So quite frankly, I think the dogs are better off multiplying and dying freely of disease than dying like that. And back to Looney Toons, gross as the dogs are, they help control the cat population, and the cats control the rodent population, which will continue to thrive so long as trash gets thrown all over the place. I'd rather the cats and dogs than rodents. At least the cats and dogs don't come into my house via the toilet...
Not to knock your efforts, samuraiwriter. I totally agree about the neutering and vaccination, and the point of my post was that adopting street animals isn't always the best way to go (yaramaz's kedi excluded). You'll be happy to know not all the dogs out here in Beylikd�z� get disappeared--- some of them actually do return from the yearly cullings with ear tags, where they can live out their days in celibate and disease-free peace. |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| justme wrote: |
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| Still on holiday in Canada- Ottawa at the mo. Today in the middle of the city I saw a ground hog, a chip monk and a a few black squirrels. much cooler than cats and dogs. |
I really miss other forms of wildlife...
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| Still have that whole dogs versus cats mentality huh? Wake up it is 2007 and not a Looney Tunes cartoon from the 1950's. |
Those were simpler and more beautiful days though... If only the world could be more like Looney Toons! Okay, putting away my hash pipe and marijuana bong now...
Can't remember where I read this, too lazy to do a search, but a few years back the city collected a bunch of street dogs supposedly to vaccinate and neuter them. The city contracted this out to a private company who naturally collected their dough, then loaded hundreds of dogs into closed trucks, drove them to the outskirts of town, and did nothing with them. Just left them there. So of course the dogs died of heat and suffocation and starvation, but not before some sick carnage inside the trucks.
So quite frankly, I think the dogs are better off multiplying and dying freely of disease than dying like that. And back to Looney Toons, gross as the dogs are, they help control the cat population, and the cats control the rodent population, which will continue to thrive so long as trash gets thrown all over the place. I'd rather the cats and dogs than rodents. At least the cats and dogs don't come into my house via the toilet...
Not to knock your efforts, samuraiwriter. I totally agree about the neutering and vaccination, and the point of my post was that adopting street animals isn't always the best way to go (yaramaz's kedi excluded). You'll be happy to know not all the dogs out here in Beylikd�z� get disappeared--- some of them actually do return from the yearly cullings with ear tags, where they can live out their days in celibate and disease-free peace. |
Hmm, yes, some street cats are useful for controling rodents. Although they tend not to do this if they are constantly fed. |
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Golightly
Joined: 08 Feb 2005
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Location: in the bar, next to the raki
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| Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:49 am Post subject: |
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| Still on holiday in Canada- Ottawa at the mo. Today in the middle of the city I saw a ground hog, a chip monk and a a few black squirrels. much cooler than cats and dogs. |
a minced pig? do you mean a sausage??
a member of a religious community made out of chips? |
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mongrelcat
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sterilization of the cats would be great. it wont happen tho because there are too many and they are too difficult to catch.
and lets try to remember who is at fault here...
its not the people who feed the cats that are responsible for them multiplying and the spread of disease (do cats actually spread serious disease to humans?). these are just some kind people who cant stand to see animals suffer.
the underlying problem is Turkish people. they go get a kitten at the pet store or wherever, then when they are tired of it, or its no longer cute enough, or it gets sick and they dont want to pay for it, they turn them out into the streets. and obviously, more often than not, the cute little kitten wasnt sterilized. and i guess the same thing happens with dogs.
i know - not all Turks are like this. but more of them are, otherwise there wouldnt be such a problem.
ive wandered into some kind Turks who spend a lot of their time taking care of the neighborhood dogs or cats. but ive also seen, a number of times, other Turks walk by as either i, or someone else, was feeding an animal and the looks of disgust and disbelief on their faces would wither a pine tree. so i stand by my earlier comment that strays are considered vermin (by a huge segment of the pop.) |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
Joined: 04 Dec 2005
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Location: Melo Drama School
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Jump on my band wagon or I'll run you down ...
Compassion a la Adolf Hitler ... |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:32 am Post subject: |
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| May a thosand and one elephants crap in your garden ... |
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justme
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Location: Istanbul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if elephant poo is good fertilizer? |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Depends what you want to fertilize .. I'd recommend it for fertilizing stray cats & dogs ... |
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kingtubby
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:41 am Post subject: quotable quotes 1 |
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Heaven is by favor; if it were by merit your dog would go in and you would stay out.
Mark Twain |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2007 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| Ahh fair eenough, don't kill the ats, just keep them outa my bar, they never get the beers in. |
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samuraiwriter
Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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Tubby... Perhaps more relevant to our discussion of cats in Turkey (A Muslim country), as opposed to the words of American writer Mark Twain. (Although he did write the best sequel of all time, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn.)
Read this...
As for felines, a legend tells that the Prophet Mohammed so loved cats that he cut the sleeve off his own coat rather than wake a sleeping kitten who had fallen asleep on it. And yet another legend says a feline once warned Mohammed of danger, and to this day, tabby cats have that distinctive "M" on their forehead where Mohammed stroked and blessed them.
Or this ...
Mohammed was very fond of cats. While living in Damascus, he had a cat whom he called Muezza. She used to curl up inside the sleeve of his robe. Once when he had to go out, it is said that he cut off his sleeve rather than disturb her sleep. Apparently he was often seen preaching from the hightest tower of Mecca, holding her in his arms. Mohammedans still treat cats well: the animal beloved by their prophet is allowed freely to enter mosques and the killing of cats is illegal.
Or for further enlightenment, dependent of faith, read this ...
http://www.animalaid.org.uk/images/pdf/factfiles/religion.pdf
And Shiek, my friend, sometimes to best break down the wall of ignorance and cruelty is to use a hammer.
"By any means necessary." To quote another Muslim, Malcom X.
Compare me to A. Hitler all you like, proves your are indeed an under educated, unimaginative fool. Pity for your students. |
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kingtubby
Joined: 25 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: KITTEN UPDATE |
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Getting much more active now. How old should they be before they get speyed and neutered, and what kind of jabs should they have? I got some of my students interested in animal rights, and these ones are right on their doorstep so to speak.
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FGT
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:35 am Post subject: |
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| Male and female cats can be neutered at 6 months of age. This is the age at which they are sexually mature and can therefore start breeding. |
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Baba Alex
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| Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Mohammed's feline obsession only goes to prove my theory that people who like cats in general, have a screw loose. |
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