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[eslstudies]

This is just a theoretical scenario. It only has limited anecdotal support.

Marcia is white and from an English speaking country. She's keen to try her hand at teaching English in China. She's an attractive and well spoken young woman, and Zhou Baijiu, a language school owner, thinks she'd be good for business. The problem is that she has no parchments that could be used to convince the Labor Bureau that she meets government requirements.
No problem. Mr Zhou's got a stack of them on his hard drive. He photoshops Marcia's name onto one of them, and hey presto, she gets an FEC. He doesn't tell her he's done this, as apparently some Westerners have strange ideas, and may not like to be implicated in forgery.
So Marcia tells her friends she's teaching in China and qualifications aren't needed. She posts on here to the same tune, and even dumps, very politely, on those who suggest that they are.

A possibility?[/b]

[jeffinflorida]

Highly likely and probably a broadly instituted practice...

[Anda]

Um, reminds me of the good old days in South Korea! A friend of mine who had no degree went for a job and was accepted but told to tell the students he had such and such a degree. A few weeks later he was called into the officeand things went like this: It's about your degree I'm afraid! Friend goes into shock and then is told: We have new students who want a teacher with a business degree so now you must tell the students that you have a business degree! Copies everything was on hand! You have to laugh at how easy it is to get a bit of paper!

In those good old days I've gone in for a job and when asked did I have a degree I have responded by sticking half a dozen copies on the table and asking which they liked best! I's been fun to watch reactions, never ever got a rejection however. I'm talking 1990 it is another game nowadays.

[vikuk]

[Shan-Shan]

[arioch36]

No No, say it ain't so!

Well said

[Anda]

Hello Vikuk as you can see I have been in this game since 1990. These days I have a real grad dip and have worked for government schools in South Korea and now China. I check out okay. Tell us what type of degree and experience do you have. And what big money and conditions you are on? You seem to worry about competition a lot! It took them three years to get someone to work where I'm working so do I threaten you? Their are 40 plus thousand of our lot here in China and only a few post here on Dave's so like it or not this game is supply and demand like other jobs back home. My wages are mid range not the bottom as you make out. I also have a 15 hour working week with plenty of holidays. Are you happy where you work? Do you fit in? Why are you working in China when you seem so concerned about money?

[vikuk]

good post Anda - by the way you still haven't explained

[Anda]

The context was South Korea. Nowadays it is as below. If you wanted too you still could play the game if you wanted too. The old days a black and white copy was enough. Here is like Korea in the 1990s in the case of instutites.


http://www.flying-cows.com/index.php/visa_process.html

[vikuk]

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[therock]

[vikuk]

[Anda]

I was making 950,000 won plus accommodation at my first job $1500 Australian and only teaching for a few hours a week.

The EPIK program for public schools started about 1994 or a bit earlier and was paying $2,000 US a month plus airfares and an apartment.

[therock]

Looks like teaching in China has a fair way to go.