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gZo
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 Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 2:50 am Post subject: Very true |
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| Its only a problem because you dont qualify. One doesnt have a right to work in Japan even though you want to and teaching is easy etc and you must meet immigration laws to stay here. Working in Japan, like other countries, is no exception. |
Yes, I�m definitely not qualified! Though, the Japanese English Teachers at my Junior High School either. I tell you, they would NEVER EVER be a teacher in other countries, (USA, Australia, England, Germany, ect.) even that they have majored in English. The expression BAD, don�t even describes close their speaking abilities and pronunciation. And I�m the AET at three different schools.....So far there is only one person which lived three years in the States, who speaks proper English.
And that would be the same case with almost any other native speaking teacher here in Japan, accept they have a degree in English and education!
What I�m trying to say is that 95% of the so called degree teachers here aren�t qualified either! Only here in Japan, or let�s say Asia.
To my opinion the hiring and visa policy is complete BULL****.
I know that I�ve been very, very lucky. And the others of us are lucky that there are countries like Japan. That sentence includes me too. 
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canuck
Joined: 11 May 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
Example of what?
If you mean a specific example of a relevant MA course then any number of TEFL/Applied Linguistics courses will consider people with relevant experience and knowledge over a BA in a completely unrelated subject.
My MA course required a minimum of 3 years teaching experience. In the class were teachers from contexts all over the world, with any number of teaching qualifications from China, Iran, Africa, etc, etc...
The main thing is to prove to the people in charge of admissions that you are able to engage with and successfully complete the course. |
Are you saying your MA course would accept someone, who for example, did a year of university, got married a Japanese national and has been teaching in Japan at an eikaiwa or as an ALT for the past 10 years? I would think that a prerequisite for any masters course...TELF, Applied Linguistics whatever would be a BA. I find it hard to believe that this is the case. Do you have any links? Or is this just some diploma mill? |
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womblingfree
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| canuck wrote: |
| womblingfree wrote: |
Example of what?
If you mean a specific example of a relevant MA course then any number of TEFL/Applied Linguistics courses will consider people with relevant experience and knowledge over a BA in a completely unrelated subject.
My MA course required a minimum of 3 years teaching experience. In the class were teachers from contexts all over the world, with any number of teaching qualifications from China, Iran, Africa, etc, etc...
The main thing is to prove to the people in charge of admissions that you are able to engage with and successfully complete the course. |
Are you saying your MA course would accept someone, who for example, did a year of university, got married a Japanese national and has been teaching in Japan at an eikaiwa or as an ALT for the past 10 years? |
Certainly, why not? In fact no need to have even married a Japanese person (I'm not sure what academic advantage this would hold?) And no I'm not talking about diploma mills but courses on any of the best Applied Linguistic courses.
Why would having a BA in an unrelated subject be preffered over someone with ten years teaching experience? Being an ALT or working at an eikaiwa are just different teaching contexts. Teachers in the ELT industry come from infinitely diverse contexts.
I'm not saying that everyone with a few years eikaiwa experience can walk onto a great AL course, but they will certainly be considered fairly. |
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canuck
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:56 am Post subject: |
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| I was just setting up an example. I see your point, but I also have believed that universities make an undergraduate degree a prerequisite for entering any masters program. |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I also have believed that universities make an undergraduate degree a prerequisite for entering any masters program. |
Even if a course program states that it's a pre-requisite the rules are flexible. A university admissions officer can let in any suitable candidates regardless of past academic study.
A BA will definitely help your application but if you don't have one and are a mature student that's been working in ELT for years, that's willing to learn, then you stand a pretty good chance I would say. |
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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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Location: Chongqing, China
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| womblingfree wrote: |
A BA will definitely help your application but if you don't have one and are a mature student that's been working in ELT for years, that's willing to learn, then you stand a pretty good chance I would say. |
Not at any of the universities I'm looking at in California, Washington state, or Vermont.... |
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womblingfree
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| Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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| natsume wrote: |
| womblingfree wrote: |
A BA will definitely help your application but if you don't have one and are a mature student that's been working in ELT for years, that's willing to learn, then you stand a pretty good chance I would say. |
Not at any of the universities I'm looking at in California, Washington state, or Vermont.... |
Like I said, universities can be flexible. If you are a young person without a BA who did a year in Japan, forget it.
If you have taught in Japan for years with no BA and can display a level of maturity and understanding then you're in with a chance.
Some uni's are flexible despite what they say. All it takes is an open minded admissions officer. |
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natsume
Joined: 24 Apr 2006
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Location: Chongqing, China
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| Maybe so, but I think it is extremely rare. |
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alexcase
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
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Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2007 4:00 am Post subject: Visa |
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| The law and what immigration are not always the same thing- people having experience one way or another and what is written down are both just guidance for what could happen to you. For example, when I arrived there were 1 year and 3 year visas and which one you got seemed to depend on if they had used up their 3 year visa limit for the day/ week/ month or how they were feeling on the day. That's how Japan is- flexible in following the rules. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes you don't get so lucky... |
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Glenski
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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| Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Visa |
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| alexcase wrote: |
| The law and what immigration are not always the same thing- people having experience one way or another and what is written down are both just guidance for what could happen to you. |
This I agree with, however...
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| That's how Japan is- flexible in following the rules. Sometimes it works for you, sometimes you don't get so lucky... |
I wouldn't use the word "flexible" as alexcase does. I would choose to say that it is a gray area. They do follow the rules, but since the rules themselves are often guidelines and nothing hard and fast, immigration cannot be seen as flexible. Vague is more like it, and depending on circumstances, one immigration officer (even in the same office) may give a different answer than another! |
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