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jasonr37
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 Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:40 am Post subject: Taxes & .... |
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On a contract I was reviewing I noticed that payment was made without taxes taken out and that the employee would be responsible for paying tax. So.. obviously the ? is how much of my cash would I have to cough up for taxes. thank You very Much.
Also, aside from that, I am wondering about another topic that seems to be frequently discussed but never quite to my satisfaction. I haven't heard but one good thing about the big franchise schools. Horror stories of peoples experiences with them are frequent. But I have not heard much if any advice on how one is to gain some real experience without spending a lott of cash and time carousing around St Pete scoping things out. While I would love to do such a thing a lot of known variables and plenty of unknowns are keeping me from heading that route.
The fact is these big schools seem to offer a quick and easy way to get over there and start teaching. After that, I can say, truthfully, that I have some real experience and hopefully find something much more desireable. Granted the way is tough and road is long the end results, I can only hope, are worth it. Of course, the end doesn't always justify the means so please, if you have some ideas or insights on how to get started in this business fairly quick, and ultimately cheap (I can and do live on ramen noodles/ spaghetti, pancakes, and bread with butter).
Thanks Again
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MIKEBUCHAN
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: ? |
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Hi jasonr37
I am an American and have been in Russia for five years. That said, my Russian wife is a chief accountant and fell down laughing at that tax question! Russian law forbids this, the company MUST pay the salary tax. Either they just pay it or deduct it from your salary. that is it! Unless you can read Russian Tax Law and file the proper tax declaration documents yourself. But, as a foreigner, you will have far too many problems trying to do this.
All the horror stories that you have read about the big schools - totally true! PERIOD!
If you are that strapped for cash and wanting to work in Russia, I will only tell you this: good luck! Or have friends from home send you food packages. Either way, good luck as you will need it!
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mdk
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| I lived with an accountant when I was teaching in Tomsk. (Russia has a lot of accountants) she had me fill out some form and I got a small refund from the taxes the university had paid out of my salary. |
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mdk
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| (I can and do live on ramen noodles/ spaghetti, pancakes, and bread with butter). |
I just read the rest of your post. My friend, you may think you know how to shave a buck and economize, but you are a rank amateur compared to the average Russian, or so I would be willing to bet the rent. If you are planning to come to Russia and live on the cheap ... I do not forsee a happy ending.
You are almost certainly going to have to supplement your salary by at least a few hundred bucks over what any school would pay you or you might well be better advised to stay home. |
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jasonr37
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the input concerning the taxes... I'm not looking for a happy ending. Thats a couple years away, at least. I've been homeless ( poverty is not a foreign concept). I spend as little as 15-20$ a month on food. And I could go even cheaper if I wanted to. But I like to indulge in a few things. Ha ( like butter). Either way Pessimistic ideas of how I might fare with the money I make in Russia aren't needed. Instead I would sooooo much appreciate it if someone had some decent counsel on how to get some credible experience with out spending a ton of cash. A foot in the door is all I really want. From there, I'll make do.
To be Honest. I am probably flipping out to much too early. Once I get my skype up and running I think it is likely I will be able to find something worthwhile. |
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MIKEBUCHAN
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:51 am Post subject: ? |
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jasonr37
How old are you? I looks like you did not listen to your parents - ever! It seems to me that both mdk and I gave you the soundest advice you will get. And you won't hear it! What exactly do you not understand? I think both of us think that you are better off staying home?
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jasonr37
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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It is all going to be just fine my friend. Calm down. And maybe try something I know everyones parents have said at least once. If you dont have something nice to say do not say anything at all.
I understand what your trying to say I really do. Its just that ( and all my friends will tell you) I am a very hard headed individual. I feel there must be some other way. And until I learn otherwise or( inevitably) the Hard Way. I will be relentless in my efforts to find this other way. To answer your question of my age I am not ashamed to say that I am not even old enough to buy beer legally here in the states. Young, hard headed, and bound for a rough ride. LOL I would not want it any other way.I know that this is likely to infuriate the professionals out there who despise people who are not meeting the standards of at least mediocre professionalism in this business. But I am sure that one day I will be among the professionals. With a little time and patience I will make something of myself. I am just too darn stupid to ever give up. LOL I will not be staying home.
As the saying goes. You make do with or you make do without. Either way, you make do. God Bless |
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MIKEBUCHAN
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: ? |
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mdk
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| I am just too darn stupid to ever give up. |
I am getting deja vu all over again. I have seen a similar case which actually turned out well- for him.
This guy was a chronic and habitual loser in the states so he decided to go over to Russia where he was (would you believe it?) a chronic and habitual loser. The thing that saved him was that he hooked up with a Russian woman. When things went in the toilet in Russia, he convinced her to marry him and he would take her back to the states, where he had a large sum of money supposedly saved.
Of course he didn't have a dime and they ended up sleeping on his parents couch until they made him a loan to start a business - which he was in the process of running into the ground when I saw them last several years ago. She was propping him up and keeping him from becoming a total failure. One might say he had improved his lot to the ranks of a semi-failure.
So the moral for the OP, if you insist on this very ill-advised plan ( as opposed to working and saving up some money before you go out ) is to try to hook up with a decent Russian woman. They are remarkably resourceful and sturdy. They are sort of the morgan horse of the female persuasion if I had to describe them in a phrase. If you can get a good one, you may come out of this hare-brained scheme somewhat to the better.
Zhelayu Udachniye |
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jasonr37
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That is the most hilarious thing I've heard all day. I am sure it is very true as well. I am working as hard as I can to save money and doing alright. I always have a job. Life would be way too boring without one.
I am just trying to explore the options. Even if I have 10,000$ I will be acting as if I haven't got a dime. So far in life it seems to me that with hard work and patience I can accomplish anything I set my mind to. |
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GF
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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| So the moral for the OP, if you insist on this very ill-advised plan ( as opposed to working and saving up some money before you go out ) is to try to hook up with a decent Russian woman. |
You have absolutely got to be kidding. I think Russian women have much better things to do than to hook up with foreign losers (this is NOT directed at the OP). My Russian wife found your 'advice' to be very insulting.
Are there any women out there who would like to respond to this? |
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MIKEBUCHAN
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 11:00 am Post subject: ? |
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GF
My Russian wife is so mad that she isn't speaking to me! This is one of the lamest things that I have ever heard.
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GF
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: Re: ? |
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GF
My Russian wife is so mad that she isn't speaking to me! This is one of the lamest things that I have ever heard.
Mike |
I am sorry to hear that. Maybe she can respond here on the forum so she can direct her anger at the proper person. It might do MDK some good to hear what a Russian woman thinks of his suggestion. |
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mdk
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| It might do MDK some good to hear what a Russian woman thinks of his suggestion. |
I told a true story. How can it be an insult to speak the truth?
If the ladies are insulted that I compared them to Morgan horses, then I can only imagine that they are not acquainted with the virtues of a Morgan. There was no insult meant and I can only regret the cultural gap that might lead to such a misconception.
But I will note the Russian folk tale of the little horse that saves the idiot's bacon repeatedly. So I do not think this is a valid criticism. The lady I spoke of did not actually help the "chronic and habitual loser" capture the fire bird (as the little horse - which looked female to me - did in the vintage "multfilm" they used to show on CTC television - Ivan the fool, I think it was called) but she kept him from losing his job repeatedly. Morgan horses are useless for capturing firebirds, but they are good looking and practical horses.
It seems to me that practicality is in very short supply among that class of people (of which the OP seems a prime example) who think that Russia is some sort of refuge for any half-wit who happens to be a native English speaker.
It's ebarassing enough with the US government demonstrating how idiotic Americans can be. It is made worse by having drooling cretins going over there to find never-never land. |
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BELS
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Taxes & .... |
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| jasonr37 wrote: |
On a contract I was reviewing I noticed that payment was made without taxes taken out and that the employee would be responsible for paying tax. So.. obviously the ? is how much of my cash would I have to cough up for taxes. thank You very Much.
Also, aside from that, I am wondering about another topic that seems to be frequently discussed but never quite to my satisfaction. I haven't heard but one good thing about the big franchise schools. Horror stories of peoples experiences with them are frequent. But I have not heard much if any advice on how one is to gain some real experience without spending a lott of cash and time carousing around St Pete scoping things out. While I would love to do such a thing a lot of known variables and plenty of unknowns are keeping me from heading that route.
The fact is these big schools seem to offer a quick and easy way to get over there and start teaching. After that, I can say, truthfully, that I have some real experience and hopefully find something much more desireable. Granted the way is tough and road is long the end results, I can only hope, are worth it. Of course, the end doesn't always justify the means so please, if you have some ideas or insights on how to get started in this business fairly quick, and ultimately cheap (I can and do live on ramen noodles/ spaghetti, pancakes, and bread with butter).
Thanks Again
I read the stuff on this forum religiously. It has been very helpfull.[/i] |
Unless you already know about it, as you like this thread so much and you have some general questions apart from teaching, why not try also expat.ru and join their forum. Its a good site for all general issues about Russia. expat.ru also recommends this site with stickies.
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