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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| And in KSA, there is no doubt that a normal MA is better regarded, appreciated and more sought-after than a DL one. Which leads back to my point that the former is better than the latter. |
Because in KSA they do not have the expertise, knowledge, technology, and means on how to evaluate a DL MA or anything related to online distance education. That�s why they prefer or think that traditional MA is better than DL one. But, according to recent research on the issue, DL education can be more efficient than traditional one, and in some fields, the marks of students taking online courses were found to be higher than traditional students. |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| there's nothing on the cert to say how it was obtained, therefore should one so choose, obfuscation on this issue is not difficult. |
True, but a potential employer would know that if, your degree was from Birmingham Uni, and according to your CV you were teaching in Seoul at the time, it is - to put it mildly - highly likely that your degree was obtained by DL. This would be enough to alert them if they do not accept DL degrees.
Regarding officialdom, I don't know exactly what the procedure is. As far as I know, the "Cultural Bureaux" of Saudi embassies have lists of accepted (by them) institutions in the relevant country, and they use these to check the validity (in their eyes) of degrees presented to them by visa seekers. If the degree presented was from a college which only offered DL degrees, or which was not on the Saudis' list of accepted institutions, then that would rule that degree out. |
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Zajko
Joined: 31 May 2007 Posts: 130 Location: No Fixed Address :)
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| True - and you make a valid point in that they use lists of accredited INSTITUTIONS (not courses). I'm not aware of many reputable universities which only offer degrees by DL and I'd be more than a little careful of any that did. But if your degree (however obtained) is from one of these institutions, in my experience you're unlikely to experience any problems. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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When you get down to it, our opinion about it all matters not at all, it is the perception of employers, which is neither consistent nor predictable.
So, for now if they didn't ask, I wouldn't tell...
Personally I am happy that I was able to get mine on campus with a Fellowship... teaching my 10 hours a day with them and getting the degree. I loved have the library and the direct personal contact with professors and fellow students daily. That was the best part of it all... But, not everyone can give up working and still pay their tuition.
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| teaching my 10 hours a day |
a day?
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| But, not everyone can give up working and still pay their tuition. |
This is what it boils down to. Like you I very much enjoyed access to a good library - in my case, one of the best university libraries in Europe (hence the world!) - and personal contact with the professors and fellow students. But if circumstances don't allow you to take a year or two off to pursue an on-campus degree, a distance degree with a reputable uni is a more than adequate alternative. |
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veiledsentiments

Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 17644 Location: USA
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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| teaching my 10 hours a day |
a day? |
I can't blame that one on a typo, can I? Early morning? Still not finished with first cup of tea?
I could go back and edit it, but...
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scot47

Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Good library in Dhahran if anyone needs it ! |
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007

Joined: 30 Oct 2006 Posts: 2684 Location: UK/Veteran of the Magic Kingdom
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Good library in Dhahran if anyone needs it ! |
No, thank you, I have access to my online library.  |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Good library in Dhahran if anyone needs it ! |
For the ladies too? |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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Junaid, according to you, those Saudi DL MA students who were expecting raises and promotions after completing the Bham program must have been very disappointed, having spent considerable time, money, and energy, and receiving leave time from their respective Saudi universities to attend the Bham seminar for DL postgrad students.
Perhaps I should contact them to see whether their degrees were not recognized by their government or universities in the end.  |
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Junaid
Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Riyadh, KSA.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
| Junaid, according to you, those Saudi DL MA students who were expecting raises and promotions after completing the Bham program must have been very disappointed, having spent considerable time, money, and energy, and receiving leave time from their respective Saudi universities to attend the Bham seminar for DL postgrad students |
Your interpretation is utterly bizarre.
All I�m trying to say is if you have a choice between a DL MA and an MA, with the intention of teaching in KSA, go for an on-campus MA.
Surely, even you can understand that, but please feel free to contact me for further simplification  |
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Junaid
Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Riyadh, KSA.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm not aware of many reputable universities which only offer degrees by DL |
The Open University. |
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spiral78

Joined: 05 Apr 2004 Posts: 11534 Location: On a Short Leash
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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Spiral, as this is a Saudi forum, I�m speaking in relation to Saudi Arabia. And in KSA, there is no doubt that a normal MA is better regarded, appreciated and more sought-after than a DL one. Which leads back to my point that the former is better than the latter.
So making note of the fact that (at least two, to my personal knowledge) Saudi professors chose to pursue a DL MA is somehow a 'bizarre interpretation?" I have actually checked - they are both enjoying enhanced pay and benefits, thanks to their MA status.
I maintain that a reputable DL MA is absolutely acceptable, even in KSA. And I'm not alone  |
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Cleopatra

Joined: 28 Jun 2003 Posts: 3657 Location: Tuamago Archipelago
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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To the best of my knowledge, Saudi professors do not have to go through the visa application process to enter their own country. As I mentioned above, it may be at that point that having a Dl degree raises problems.
I agree with Junaid. Even if DL degrees are in theory acceptable by all the relevant ministries and employers - and I'm not at all sure that they are - it's best to go for an on-campus degree if you have the choice. Of course, many people do not have that choice, in which case a DL degree may be OK as far as the Saudis are concerned. |
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Junaid
Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 26 Location: Riyadh, KSA.
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| spiral78 wrote: |
Spiral, as this is a Saudi forum, I�m speaking in relation to Saudi Arabia. And in KSA, there is no doubt that a normal MA is better regarded, appreciated and more sought-after than a DL one. Which leads back to my point that the former is better than the latter.
So making note of the fact that (at least two, to my personal knowledge) Saudi professors chose to pursue a DL MA is somehow a 'bizarre interpretation?" I have actually checked - they are both enjoying enhanced pay and benefits, thanks to their MA status.
I maintain that a reputable DL MA is absolutely acceptable, even in KSA. And I'm not alone  |
And I maintain that your interpretation of my posts is rather peculiar. I never once said that DL MAs are not acceptable in KSA, only that, for Saudi, it is better to obtain an MA on campus if it is a viable option.
Perhaps a possible drawback to Distance Learning is a deficiency in the acquisition of analytical skills as Spiral has now demonstrated.
Try to read more carefully next time. Cheers. |
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