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SF21



Joined: 05 Jun 2007
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Location: California

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:56 am    Post subject: Question for people who made good money before ESL teaching Reply with quote

How much of a salary cut did you take before becoming an EFL teacher? Were you apprehensive about it?

Just curious, because I'm leaving a $75K USD a year IT job to get my CELTA and then go abroad. I'm completely disenchanted and don't like my redundant job anymore (actually, I never really did Razz), so I think I'm making the right choice.


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ls650



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Location: British Columbia

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was making about $50,000+ per year as a computer analyst. Of course, as a TEFL instructor in Asia I made about 15% of that. In Mexico I did a bit better, say $15,000 per year.
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mdk



Joined: 09 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was making about that. I had always wanted to see Spain and even had vague dreams of going off to Seville and do privates. I even had a page about Seville posted on the wall of my cubicle to look at and keep me sane while I was talking to gum-smacking idiots on the phone.

In the event I ended up going to Siberia, instead. It was a woman I met on line after vowing I would never again mess with somebody farther away than Turlock. This was after the woman on Kaui

I don't know. In Siberia I made the money of a Siberian University English Prof... about $300 a month (7,000 rubles). I was much happier because I was out of the cubicle and people treated me as a professor. That was 2002


I'm back in the states now and working to pay off the last of my credit card debt from teaching in Moscow last winter (That side trip to Dubrovnik cost a bit). My social security will kick in after the first of the year and then I am out of here. Wild horses couldn't make me stay here a day longer. Ten months overseas and two months here seeing the kids and making a little scratch. That's the ticket.....I hate golf, you see.
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Glenski



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Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I made far more in my previous profession than I made starting out in conversation schools in Japan. Money is not everything.
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Seeker of truth



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually make close to double the money I made teaching ESL in the Far East several years ago. However, being financially incarcerated in a cubicle from 9 to 5 makes me wonder if it's really worth it. If money were not an issue, I'd probably go back to teaching ESL full time.

I have one of those accounting/computer jobs which pays me for a 40 hour work week, but gives me only about 20 hours of actual work to do. So, you guessed it, lots of time for surfing. Very Happy
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SF21



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeker of truth wrote:
I actually make close to double the money I made teaching ESL in the Far East several years ago. However, being financially incarcerated in a cubicle from 9 to 5 makes me wonder if it's really worth it. If money were not an issue, I'd probably go back to teaching ESL full time.

I have one of those accounting/computer jobs which pays me for a 40 hour work week, but gives me only about 20 hours of actual work to do. So, you guessed it, lots of time for surfing. Very Happy


Heh. Like Peter Gibbons, I'm only doing about 10 hours a week of real work. Easy money. But I'm rotting away, and can't bear to be landlocked by 5 other cubicles of unambitious, wash-rinse-repeat hacks anymore. I think factory farm animals see the sun more than I do on any given day.

It's time for me to break the monotonous golden handcuffs. Actually, I was all set to go back to graduate school for psychology next month, but deferred so I can get out of the US for 6 months to a year...and teach EFL. For me, money is becoming lesser of an issue. Sure, I have debt, but it's only student loans, which are manageable. Can't defer a credit card!
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RebelGirl26



Joined: 04 Sep 2007
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Location: Portland, OR

PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeker of truth wrote:
I actually make close to double the money I made teaching ESL in the Far East several years ago. However, being financially incarcerated in a cubicle from 9 to 5 makes me wonder if it's really worth it. If money were not an issue, I'd probably go back to teaching ESL full time.

I have one of those accounting/computer jobs which pays me for a 40 hour work week, but gives me only about 20 hours of actual work to do. So, you guessed it, lots of time for surfing. Very Happy


Incarcerated in a cublicle - golden handcuffs, yup that describes my situation exactly. I make enough money (not a ton) that I finally paid off all my debts and have a tiny bit in the bank, but my life is BORING!!!! I'm willing to take a pay cut in order to have a few new experiences and to have a chance to explore the world a bit. Not sure what I'll do when the adventure is over... but I'll worry about that when it happens.
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SueH



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in 2000 I was on about $55k, as a not very corporate minded (or successful!) systems analyst. As boredom wasn't in the job spec. I volunteered for redundancy and benefited from a small pension starting at 50. This underpins my income and allows me to be selective in what I do, but I never undercut the local market and I always try and be professional.
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The bottom line is what matters - not just the gross wages.

I was making close to double what I started out making in TEFL.

BUT, by the time you threw in the very low taxes in many overseas countries, free accommodation, the lower working hours and opportunities for "overtime" (like teaching more than twelve hours at the university where I was working), the lack of a need for a car many places, and just getting out of the consumer rat race - I was all of a sudden saving 3+ times more than what I was saving BEFORE I got into TEFL.
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Justin Trullinger



Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was a jobbing actor before TESOL.

It hasn't been a paycut.


Best,
Justin
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fancynan



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently make about $65, but am leaving my position at the end of the year to start my TEFL class. I am aware that my income will be greatly reduced, but I have banked some money to help me through, and have paid off all debts. I actually have a great job and have done it for 10 years, but the pull to make this change is very strong. The income (or lack thereof) is not the guiding force.
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Justin Trullinger



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 10, 2007 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
I currently make about $65


That, you could match in TESOL! Wink


Best,
Justin
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Sunny-side Up



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 2:48 pm    Post subject: less is more Reply with quote

You are worried about leaving a 75k job? Well stop blowing your $$ and start saving.. (?) Where do you plan to go and teach ESL? Antartica, or the top of Mt. Olympus? Any other place, you could probably live for nothing for several years. What is your goal? To teach (and benefit someone else)? Or to contemplate opportunity costs?
You must love what you're doing, so don't feel apprehensive--just stay and keep making money, which is what you really care about anyway, obviously. If you're worried about 75k, you wouldn't understand 7.5k/per year in any culture, or less....
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Sunny-side Up



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: go teach and help your fellow man Reply with quote

Well, so you don't love $$$. Look what you can do and experience as a teacher. How can you put a price on life experience, when you could obviously go back to your 'old life' with your magical IT skills, and make big bucks again?
How much money do you need anyway? It's not like you can't ever get a job again with your IT skills. Do you want sympathy because you are afraid to go out and live?

Go travel, discover, and live, and experience your life, and go back to your IT ($58-69k/year, boo-hoo), terrible, impoverished world that you will re- encounter at that time, when you realize that making 75k/yr is super important,. compared to where you could've been if you'd have remained chained to your desk....

_Please donate the money to charity--directly--rather than let a program divide it up and take percentages on it...... Go out into the world and help someone other than yourself....

signed,
Charity fund for 75k/year starving Teacher...............
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SF21



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 11, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: go teach and help your fellow man Reply with quote

Sunny-side Up wrote:
Well, so you don't love $$$. Look what you can do and experience as a teacher. How can you put a price on life experience, when you could obviously go back to your 'old life' with your magical IT skills, and make big bucks again?
How much money do you need anyway? It's not like you can't ever get a job again with your IT skills. Do you want sympathy because you are afraid to go out and live?

Go travel, discover, and live, and experience your life, and go back to your IT ($58-69k/year, boo-hoo), terrible, impoverished world that you will re- encounter at that time, when you realize that making 75k/yr is super important,. compared to where you could've been if you'd have remained chained to your desk....

_Please donate the money to charity--directly--rather than let a program divide it up and take percentages on it...... Go out into the world and help someone other than yourself....

signed,
Charity fund for 75k/year starving Teacher...............


Don't get excited. Fall back on the "boo hoo" brow beating and re-read my original post. At 30, I have no problem leaving corp. America, and am excited about the prospect of teaching abroad. I was just curious about the financial situation people were in before they left. Curious.
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