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guest of Japan

Joined: 28 Feb 2003 Posts: 1601 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Dec 08, 2003 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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Every time I try to fake a British accent I sound Scottish. My accent skills used to be quite good. I spent several months working on a private yacht. My fellow crew members were Canadian, American, Scottish, British, and NZ. I used to be able to tell the any native English speakers country, but alas, that skill has faded. |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Okay, as I explain it these days. The name of the island is Great Britain - everything on it is British, that is, it comes from that island. On that island you find three nations: the English (largest group), the Scots (next largest), and the Welsh (often confused with sheep).
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schminken

Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 109 Location: Austria (The Hills are Alive)
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I have a American Southern Accent. Not a "Gone with the Wind Scarlett" accent, more of an Applachian one. It's not very thick though.
A funny thing happened in class the other day. A student was talking about a video clip I had shown them and said, "Yes we need practice listening to other accents and not yours because you speak so slowly and clearly for our sake." Tee hee. I was shocked. It was my normal speaking voice and I have never "dumbed it down" for them. Oh well.
My grandparents lived deep in the Appalachian mountains and spoke a really interesting dialect. I usually never understood them. It was something close to Elizabethen English spoken with a thick southern twang. I wish I had gotten it on tape, because the dialect is slowly on its last legs. |
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ha'anala

Joined: 25 Sep 2003 Posts: 19
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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schminken, where in the south did you grow up?
I was thinking I was the only American Southerner here...I usually don't admit where I'm from. The tendency here in the states is to assume anyone from the south is a little slow and far from intelligent. (but I guess the slow speaking does help out the students, eh?)
I grew up listening to my mother constantly butchering the English language...
It wasn't "argue" it was ar-gee.
wash became warsh (our president lives in Warshinten,DC)
There were no words ending in -ing in her vocabulary, everything was just -in:
fishin, warshin, pushin, etc...
Listening to this everyday was a constant reminder for me to work on my pronunciation. I sometimes like to speak with my version of a British, Irish or Scottish accent (nothing like the real thing), but if I do it regularly it helps to drive the southern drawl out of my regular speech.
Right now I'm living in the south, and most people around here will tell me that I have no accent. Of course if I go anywhere above the Mason-Dixon Line they can pick up my accent. Also if I hang out with people from work much (mostly good ole southern boys), then my drawl comes sneaking back in.
One of the biggest complements I ever received was when my former boss who grew up in Minnesota thought I was from the North.  |
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Capergirl

Joined: 02 Feb 2003 Posts: 1232 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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dduck wrote: |
Okay, as I explain it these days. The name of the island is Great Britain - everything on it is British, that is, it comes from that island. On that island you find three nations: the English (largest group), the Scots (next largest), and the Welsh (often confused with sheep).
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All right, I'll risk looking like a dumb@ss. I didn't know this, Iain, and thank you for the clarification (I'm great with languages but sh*t with geography ). I'd always thought that "The British Isles" was England, Scotland, and Wales (and Ireland?), "The United Kingdom" was Scotland and England, and "Britain" was England only. I seem to have mucked it up.  |
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dduck

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Posts: 422 Location: In the middle
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Posted: Tue Dec 09, 2003 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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Capergirl wrote: |
I'd always thought that "The British Isles" was England, Scotland, and Wales (and Ireland?), "The United Kingdom" was Scotland and England, and "Britain" was England only. I seem to have mucked it up.  |
Your right about the first point: the British Isles (note the plural) is the collective name for both islands: Great Britain and Eire. The United Kingdom is yet another collection. In 1801 the UK was all of Britain - as I defined it earlier - and Ireland. This existed until 1921 when the republic of Ireland broke away, leaving (or rather being forced to leave) Northern Ireland behind. Which is where we are today.
Also, Scottish and English crowns united 400 years ago, in 1603. The countries didn't unite for another 100 years, in 1707. Establishing a timeline: the US of A didn't establish itself until 1776 - so Ireland was n't part of the UK at the time. About 100 years later my great*3 grandfather came over from Ireland to Scotland.
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland
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FGT

Joined: 14 Sep 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Turkey
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Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 12:56 am Post subject: |
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Question: How many islands make up the British Isles?
Britain and Ireland, obviously. Then there's the Isle of Man, the Isle of Wight, the Hebrides, Orkneys and Shetlands. Am I right in thinking that the Channel Islands are not included? |
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