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hobo
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Because it is more difficult in summer time ?t is a more blessed time.
Many people smoke and also not a major sin therefore its common and normal for people to light up after oru�.
This is Istanbul and especially in the more 'fashionable' cities like Sisli and Besikta? its normal to see those who are more 'modern'. And those who choose to gamble etc.
Whats with all the Muslim bashing on this forum. Many of you are married or dating a Muslim. Do you criticize their choices openly?
Its not about what the neighbors think its a relationship with God and a personal choice and an individual matter.
I was a Christian once. |
I didn't see anyone bashing Muslims here. |
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Sheikh Inal Ovar
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I wish the drivers on the roads out here were expressing their blessedness a little more blessedly ...
And what was that reference to gambling all about? |
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comrade in arms
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| I really don't see anything disrespectful about directly insulting someone's culture and beliefs. |
I bet you and Justme used to spit on the faces of Pakistani shop owners back in England, which I find disgusting, unacceptable and pathetic. People like you shouldn't be allowed to stay in this country, but this country is just too tolerant for the bigoted a.rse holes like you! |
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hobo
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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| comrade in arms wrote: |
| hobo wrote: |
| I really don't see anything disrespectful about directly insulting someone's culture and beliefs. |
I bet you and Justme used to spit on the faces of Pakistani shop owners back in England, which I find disgusting, unacceptable and pathetic. People like you shouldn't be allowed to stay in this country, but this country is just too tolerant for the bigoted a.rse holes like you! |
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justme
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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I've never been to England.
Except for Heathrow transit. Does that count?
And I'm pretty sure I've never met a Pakistani. I've met some Indians, though. There may or may not have been spitting involved. |
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Caterinamh
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:19 pm Post subject: reply |
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I haven't seen the Swedish cartoons, but I saw the Danish ones. Really, they weren't all that bad. I mean, I'd imagined they were cartoons of Mohammed in compromising positions with farm animals for that huge reaction they got. But I guess I'd have to be Muslim to understand what's so horribly offensive. Art Spiegelman did a fantastic article on the Danish cartoons, and about 'offensive' cartoons in general, in Harper's several months back, but I couldn't find a link that would open.
To me, it's the sense of humor thing again. I don't get why some Muslims are so horribly sensitive about the slightest hint of poking fun at their religion. Worse, I don't get why running around killing people seems like a good solution for this. I don't go insane when people make even pretty viscious fun of Americans, or women, or blonde people, or English teachers... When Sinead O'Connor ripped up the picture of the Pope, Catholics got their noses all out of joint, but I didn't notice any fatwa out on her. So there's this rather small faction of really violent, awful people who've successfully intimidated the world out of having any kind of objective dialogue, serious or comical, about Islam. One extremist cleric or believer decides they didn't like what someone said or drew or wrote, and bombs start exploding.
On an old episode of the Simpson's, Krusty the Klown does a funny thing for wishing everyone happy holidays: "Have a Merry Christmas, a Happy Hannukah, a Kwazy Kwanzaa, and (looking downwards respectfully) a solemn and serious Ramadan." Funny partly because Ramazan doesn't often fall near Christmas etc., and partly funny because everyone is afraid to say anything funny, or really anything at all that could be seen as negative, about anything Islamic. |
True, true, true and a hearty AMEN! What I think is odd is that it is ok with "them" to make a show called Muslim Jesus and feel it is perfectly ok. I personally don't care but don't dish it if you can't take it. |
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Caterinamh
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| Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: reply |
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| comrade in arms wrote: |
| hobo wrote: |
| I really don't see anything disrespectful about directly insulting someone's culture and beliefs. |
I bet you and Justme used to spit on the faces of Pakistani shop owners back in England, which I find disgusting, unacceptable and pathetic. People like you shouldn't be allowed to stay in this country, but this country is just too tolerant for the bigoted a.rse holes like you! |
YOU ARE KIDDING right???? First of all JustME is NOT from England and as I know her personally does not nor never did treat anyone from any faith with a lack of tolerance. Remember tolerance goes BOTH ways regardless of where you are located! |
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dmb
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So please understand that no one here is BASHING any one |
If this was facebook and Baba was still alive I'd bash him. |
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calsimsek
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| I do a lot of Pom bashing when we (The Green & Gold) play any sporting game against the lads with the soggy bottoms. |
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hobo
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: Re: reply |
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| Caterinamh wrote: |
| comrade in arms wrote: |
| hobo wrote: |
| I really don't see anything disrespectful about directly insulting someone's culture and beliefs. |
I bet you and Justme used to spit on the faces of Pakistani shop owners back in England, which I find disgusting, unacceptable and pathetic. People like you shouldn't be allowed to stay in this country, but this country is just too tolerant for the bigoted a.rse holes like you! |
YOU ARE KIDDING right???? First of all JustME is NOT from England and as I know her personally does not nor never did treat anyone from any faith with a lack of tolerance. Remember tolerance goes BOTH ways regardless of where you are located! |
Yeah, he/she was joking. |
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Caterinamh
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| Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 9:22 am Post subject: reply |
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| Laura777 wrote: |
Because it is more difficult in summer time ıt is a more blessed time.
Many people smoke and also not a major sin therefore its common and normal for people to light up after oru�.
This is Istanbul and especially in the more 'fashionable' cities like Sisli and Besiktaş its normal to see those who are more 'modern'. And those who choose to gamble etc.
Whats with all the Muslim bashing on this forum. Many of you are married or dating a Muslim. Do you criticize their choices openly?
Its not about what the neighbors think its a relationship with God and a personal choice and an individual matter.
I was a Christian once. |
For YOU it's a relationship with GOD but you can't say that for everyone. I personally know for a fact that many pretend to fast to please the social pressures that be! I respect those who want to fast and I personally don't think that anyone should not eat, drink or smoke in public places because many do fast. ( Even though I hate smoking!) I think all people must respect the views of others regardless of who is the majority or minority. |
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Vixter
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Has anyone noticed the crazy driving that occurs between 6 and 7 each day? ıt is completely bonkers and dangerous as anything - i just hope noone's feeling too lightheaded behind the wheel and desperate for food. As Justme says, there must be a uge surge of diabetes related conditions occuring.
My boss, 3 years ago in Ramazan was driving from Bursa to Izmir. He is diabetic and hadn't eaten apart from the pre-dawn meal. He went into a diabetic coma whilst driving and the car he was driving rolled down a bank. His wife and child were Ok (even though they weren't wearing seatbelts - WHY!) and they took him to a hospital in Mustafakemalpaşa (such a great name for a place). As Bayram was starting that evening there were no doctors and an orderly examined his head and said it was fine. Ali insisted on being taken to the hospital in Bursa and they found 500 pieces of glass in his head. After an 8 hr operation he recovered.
Lessons learned:
- don't fast if you are diabetic
- wear a seatbelt
- don't go to a town hospital on the first night of Bayram.
I do have full respect for Muslims fasting but ı do worry about the physiological consequences to them and those around them, especially if they are in charge of a tonne of metal. |
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justme
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| Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 3:04 pm Post subject: |
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Has anyone noticed the crazy driving that occurs between 6 and 7 each day? ıt is completely bonkers and dangerous as anything - i just hope noone's feeling too lightheaded behind the wheel and desperate for food. As Justme says, there must be a uge surge of diabetes related conditions occuring.
My boss, 3 years ago in Ramazan was driving from Bursa to Izmir. He is diabetic and hadn't eaten apart from the pre-dawn meal. He went into a diabetic coma whilst driving and the car he was driving rolled down a bank. His wife and child were Ok (even though they weren't wearing seatbelts - WHY!) and they took him to a hospital in Mustafakemalpaşa (such a great name for a place). As Bayram was starting that evening there were no doctors and an orderly examined his head and said it was fine. Ali insisted on being taken to the hospital in Bursa and they found 500 pieces of glass in his head. After an 8 hr operation he recovered.
Lessons learned:
- don't fast if you are diabetic
- wear a seatbelt
- don't go to a town hospital on the first night of Bayram.
I do have full respect for Muslims fasting but ı do worry about the physiological consequences to them and those around them, especially if they are in charge of a tonne of metal. |
Your boss is an idiot. If you're diabetic or otherwise ill, you're not required to fast. That's why I said there will be an upsurge in diabetes, etc. in coming years-- the fast will be much more difficult, so people will invent excuses to not have to do it. Even menstruating women aren't supposed to fast-- they just make up those days with a post-Bayram fast. But it's absolutely foolish to risk your health for this, and apparently the lives of others in your boss's case. It's so annoying when people try to outdo one another with their righteousness and don't even know their own religion. |
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Laura777
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Muslims who can and WHO WANT to fast do, and those who have a medical issue or are traveling and have difficultly in completeing the fast do not have do so. They can make up the days afterwards.
Also yes menstruating women are not at all to fast.
Prophet Mohammad pbuh, did not intend the fast to be one of tortue or of grief. For this reason he has indicated the above in the Koran to guide those who choose to fast and who have the desire to complete the required days. |
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dmb
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| Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| They can make up the days afterwards. |
A bit like flexi-time? |
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