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The thin end of the wedge

 
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Otterman Ollie



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: The thin end of the wedge Reply with quote

I see in yesterday's Turkish daily news the pm wants to overturn the ban on headscarves ,anyone hear alarm bells ringing ?
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Golightly



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, but I hear the distant rumble of tanks coming over the hill....

Remember kids, Ataturk's always watching you! He always knows who's on the good list and on the naughty list!
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hobo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: The thin end of the wedge Reply with quote

Otterman Ollie wrote:
I see in yesterday's Turkish daily news the pm wants to overturn the ban on headscarves ,anyone hear alarm bells ringing ?


I do, but it's a fire dill in the office.
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justme



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is he checking it twice?

Is lifting the ban on headscarves the beginning of the slippery slope?

Or is it just relatively small and symbolic, and nothing will change?

I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there.

I will suggest, however, that Islamic democracy is still relatively untried in the world, and it can always take a face Westerners don't particularly care for.

If they lifted the ban on the fez, would it herald an era of cool hats, or a major fashion mistake?
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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is the Fez still banned? I'm pretty sure that law was repealed otherwise you wouldn't get all those tourist fezes in Kapali Carsi
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justme



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm. I just figured it was okay to wear the fez as part of a costume, but not wear it for real, as a hat.

It's the sexism built into the law, I think, as there isn't really any type of dress, like a headscarf, that men are required to wear as part of their religion. I mean, beards are looked down on, but not forbidden, and a very religious male can hold whatever job and enter/attend/work at a university, but a woman of the same convictions is banned from doing so because of the dress required of her.
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hobo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

justme wrote:
Hmm. I just figured it was okay to wear the fez as part of a costume, but not wear it for real, as a hat.

It's the sexism built into the law, I think, as there isn't really any type of dress, like a headscarf, that men are required to wear as part of their religion. I mean, beards are looked down on, but not forbidden, and a very religious male can hold whatever job and enter/attend/work at a university, but a woman of the same convictions is banned from doing so because of the dress required of her.



By the same argument isn't the religion itself sexist for only forcing women to conform to dress codes?


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justme



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a whole 'nother can of worms...
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hobo



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

justme wrote:
That's a whole 'nother can of worms...


Well yes,

Interestingly enough, the ban is not just on headgear, it's on all theopolitical symbols. So it could include male headcaps and Muslim style dress as well as obvious crosses and Jewish skullcaps.
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dmb



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about bearded women?
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote