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Otterman Ollie
Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 1067 Location: South Western Turkey
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: The thin end of the wedge |
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| I see in yesterday's Turkish daily news the pm wants to overturn the ban on headscarves ,anyone hear alarm bells ringing ? |
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Golightly

Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 877 Location: in the bar, next to the raki
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:24 am Post subject: |
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No, but I hear the distant rumble of tanks coming over the hill....
Remember kids, Ataturk's always watching you! He always knows who's on the good list and on the naughty list! |
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hobo
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 91
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: Re: The thin end of the wedge |
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| Otterman Ollie wrote: |
| I see in yesterday's Turkish daily news the pm wants to overturn the ban on headscarves ,anyone hear alarm bells ringing ? |
I do, but it's a fire dill in the office. |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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Is he checking it twice?
Is lifting the ban on headscarves the beginning of the slippery slope?
Or is it just relatively small and symbolic, and nothing will change?
I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there.
I will suggest, however, that Islamic democracy is still relatively untried in the world, and it can always take a face Westerners don't particularly care for.
If they lifted the ban on the fez, would it herald an era of cool hats, or a major fashion mistake? |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:57 am Post subject: |
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| Is the Fez still banned? I'm pretty sure that law was repealed otherwise you wouldn't get all those tourist fezes in Kapali Carsi |
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:53 am Post subject: |
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Hmm. I just figured it was okay to wear the fez as part of a costume, but not wear it for real, as a hat.
It's the sexism built into the law, I think, as there isn't really any type of dress, like a headscarf, that men are required to wear as part of their religion. I mean, beards are looked down on, but not forbidden, and a very religious male can hold whatever job and enter/attend/work at a university, but a woman of the same convictions is banned from doing so because of the dress required of her. |
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hobo
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 91
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| justme wrote: |
Hmm. I just figured it was okay to wear the fez as part of a costume, but not wear it for real, as a hat.
It's the sexism built into the law, I think, as there isn't really any type of dress, like a headscarf, that men are required to wear as part of their religion. I mean, beards are looked down on, but not forbidden, and a very religious male can hold whatever job and enter/attend/work at a university, but a woman of the same convictions is banned from doing so because of the dress required of her. |
By the same argument isn't the religion itself sexist for only forcing women to conform to dress codes?
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justme

Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 1944 Location: Istanbul
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:09 pm Post subject: |
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| That's a whole 'nother can of worms... |
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hobo
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 91
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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| justme wrote: |
| That's a whole 'nother can of worms... |
Well yes,
Interestingly enough, the ban is not just on headgear, it's on all theopolitical symbols. So it could include male headcaps and Muslim style dress as well as obvious crosses and Jewish skullcaps. |
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dmb

Joined: 12 Feb 2003 Posts: 8397
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| What about bearded women? |
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scot47

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