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markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua
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Posted: Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:19 pm Post subject: Masses of English Teachers Coming Your Way? |
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Japan's largest language school, Nova, just closed 200 of its 900 schools and laid off 2000 teachers. There is a possibility the company may not survive at all. That means the market there is pretty much flooded with out of work English teachers. I'm wondering how many will turn up in Taiwan in the coming weeks. |
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SEndrigo
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Posted: Sun Sep 23, 2007 2:52 am Post subject: |
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Wow that is big news indeed. When I was over in Japan, which wasn't that long ago, Nova was having financial problems and it was a big news all over the country, not just to English teachers.
I'm not surprised that happened, though...when they cut salaries from 250,000 to 220,000 yen a month, you knew the proverbial fan had been hit...ha ha.
Don't you think though, that most of those teachers would go to Korea first, seeing as there's more money to be made in Korea? Just a thought... |
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:17 am Post subject: |
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I think many of the people there want to be in Japan and, so, will attempt to locate other jobs in Japan. The market over there can absorb a fair number of the lay offs. Of the left overs, many will likely go home and some will possibly go to another country-- not necessarily Taiwan. I don't foresee the local market here being over run with Japan foreign teacher refugees. |
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ghost
Joined: 30 Jan 2003 Posts: 1693 Location: Saudi Arabia
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Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: re |
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When you have lived and worked in a country like Japan - teachers would be foolish to come to polluted, scooter crazy, Taiwan. The money may be decent in Taiwan, but the quality of life is nowhere near the Japanese level.
Ghost in Korea |
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markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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I would have to disagree with you Ghost, on the grounds that I met many people who had come from Japan to Taiwan (myself included), but never met anyone who had gone the other way.
2000 redundant teachers is the tip of the iceberg. There are potentially another 7000ish if Nova goes under completely.
Food for thought, nothing else. |
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forest1979

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 507 Location: SE Asia
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Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: |
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I doubt if there will be a large influx of TEFLers into Taiwan regardless of Nova's demise. For a start there are near places, e.g. Korea, the Japanese market is probably robust enough, as already said by another poster, to swallow up drips and drabs of teachers across Japan, and who the hell, especially if you're European would come to Taiwan when the value of the NT$ is so weak. A few years ago one Euro got 30NT but now its worth over 46! The Pound Sterling a few years back was worth 50NT, now its 67. |
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BJ
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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:49 am Post subject: |
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I remember when the pound was at 38:( ah those were the days lol. |
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stillnosheep

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:35 pm Post subject: |
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markholmes wrote: |
2000 redundant teachers is the tip of the iceberg. There are potentially another 7000ish if Nova goes under completely. |
Nova only employ(ed) about 5000 foreign teachers. So bugger all chance of them making 7000 of them redundant. Perhaps you're mixing things up with the figure for all (foreign and Japanese, teaching and office) staff. |
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SEndrigo
Joined: 28 Apr 2004 Posts: 437
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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haha yeah, well, now it's official: NOVA has gone under!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7063205.stm
What I think will happen is most of those people won't come to Taiwan or Korea...rather, they'll either go home or look for another job in Japan, thus driving salaries lower than they already are over there (The standard salary there is 250,000 yen a month, and lower in many places, like the 220,000 it was at NOVA). |
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Miyazaki
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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A Canadian union rep. in Tokyo just reported in an interview with the Toronto Star that the EFL job market has been flooded with teachers looking for work.
5,000 - 6,000 TEFL'ers just hit the streets looking for work last week.
That's a lot of people looking for jobs!  |
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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Miyazaki wrote: |
A Canadian union rep. in Tokyo just reported in an interview with the Toronto Star that the EFL job market has been flooded with teachers looking for work.
5,000 - 6,000 TEFL'ers just hit the streets looking for work last week.
That's a lot of people looking for jobs!  |
Not here, it doesn't. The number of people laid off doesn't equate to a large number of people arriving here, Most of the people laid off will either go locate jobs in Japan or go home. Of those interested in jobs in other countries, only some will look here. And, then, only only some will look in certain places. I still don't don't see us over run. Correct me if I'm wrong. |
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SEndrigo
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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Steve,
I think he was saying the same thing you're saying, that those thousands of teachers are looking for work in Japan, and not necessarily coming to Taiwan.
I don't really see that Japan is such a good deal though, especially right now...money-wise it's not very good anymore, and on top of that a few more thousand teachers out of work.
I would like to think that other schools would take all those employees but who knows? |
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TaoyuanSteve

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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:23 am Post subject: |
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SEndrigo wrote: |
Steve,
I think he was saying the same thing you're saying, that those thousands of teachers are looking for work in Japan, and not necessarily coming to Taiwan.
I don't really see that Japan is such a good deal though, especially right now...money-wise it's not very good anymore, and on top of that a few more thousand teachers out of work.
I would like to think that other schools would take all those employees but who knows? |
Fair enough.
I must say, though, that I feel for all those put out of work, especially those for whom these developments will create severe hardships. If any are reading here, I wish you all better things. And, while I doubt we will see any mass influx of teachers from Japan, it is worth noting that there are vacancies here. |
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just4u
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:30 am Post subject: |
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markholmes wrote: |
I would have to disagree with you Ghost, on the grounds that I met many people who had come from Japan to Taiwan (myself included), but never met anyone who had gone the other way.
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I did and know others who have (albeit after going back to Korea first along the way). And actually, ghost has a good point. Taiwan is barely tolerable after living in Korea (although getting ripped off in the Korean countryside may make the prospect bearable for a while) but then going from JAPAN to Taiwan? From order to chaos? I mean nothing against Taiwan but I just don't see it. I met one person who did this (1) but it was kind of surprising and I don't know how long he actually stayed (when I talked to him he had "just arrived" in Taiwan..this was a long time ago.)
Anyway, about the layoffs, Japan doesn't have the job market to support all these teachers (it's hard enough to get work already.) I am guessing that many without BA degrees will go home and many may show up in Korea.
Going from Korea to Taiwan is one thing, going from Japan to Taiwan is another thing entirely...you all may get a few but not near as many as you all are probably thinking..and many who do show up will probably bail after just a few months... |
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SEndrigo
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 5:11 am Post subject: |
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TaoyuanSteve wrote: |
Fair enough.
I must say, though, that I feel for all those put out of work, especially those for whom these developments will create severe hardships. If any are reading here, I wish you all better things. And, while I doubt we will see any mass influx of teachers from Japan, it is worth noting that there are vacancies here. |
Yeah, totally. It sucks to have that happen, but they can all only go up from here!
Read a story of a British guy and his girlfriend, on the BBC, and they said they were pawning off items to survive. My heart goes out to these guys, but one wonders whether they couldn't just get another teaching job, since it's so very easy to get one in Japan. |
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