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ruthanna



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:52 pm    Post subject: Travel to China? Reply with quote

Has anyone travelled to China from Russia? Are the visa requirements the same as travelling from the US? I'm an American who's considering travelling there over New Years. But I guess my plans hinge on whether or not it's possible to get the Chinese visa while I'm in Russia. Any thoughts?
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mdk



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was looking into it several years ago, but didn't go. I was living in Tomsk.

You should check the lonely planet guide for the trans-siberian. It spoke of the visa requirements. They didn't seem onerous.

You need to decide whether you want to take the short cut thru mongolia or leave the trans-siberian in - I think it's Khabarovsk.

There is also a ferry out of Vladivostok to the northern Japanese island.
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Red and white



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did the Trans-Mongolian railway a couple of years ago. Visas for crossing the land borders are just the same, and you'll need to apply in advance. If there's a Chinese consulate in St P then you're laughing - it's a form fill, wait a week, pick up the new sticker in your passport (or that's how it went in London, anyway). If not you may have problems unless you fancy a trip to Moscow and a long queue!

I'm not sure New Year is the best time for the trip, though. Very cold, pretty dark and lots of Russians travelling to/from home making the trains busier (and more drunken) than usual.

That said, it was a great experience in the summer, and I'd love to go back to see Baikal under ice. The Mongolian leg was interesting too, but if you skip it you'll stay in Russia as far as Chita.

Border controls are dreary. On the Trans-Mong you get stuck hours in Naushki, which is the back of beyond, then repeat the whole dull process in Sukhbaatur, which is similar. And it's hard changing money on the Chinese border, so I arrived there effectively penniless and desperate for water but couldn't do much about it until Beijing. Schoolboy error, I'm afraid!

The paperwork is a bit big, but not impossible. You're in Russia, any other visa has to be less hassle!
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waxwing



Joined: 29 Jun 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Travel to China? Reply with quote

ruthanna wrote:
Has anyone travelled to China from Russia? Are the visa requirements the same as travelling from the US? I'm an American who's considering travelling there over New Years. But I guess my plans hinge on whether or not it's possible to get the Chinese visa while I'm in Russia. Any thoughts?


Of course it's possible to get your visa within Russia. You don't mention where in Russia you are.
Be aware that 3 years ago I found the business of getting my Chinese visa in Moscow very unpleasant, in as much as there were huge queues at the consulate/embassy. As I recall there were only 2 or three other places in Russia where there was a consulate, so most likely you'll need to go to Moscow (St Pete's an exception? I didn't check. There is also at least one consulate in the Dalniy Vosok, Khabarovsk or Vladivostok or both, I don't recall).

If you actually live in Moscow, I would look into getting an agency to do the work for you, but remember that you have to trust them with your passport. If, as I was, you're in a city relatively distant from Moscow this won't seem appealing (passport by mail in Russia?!) and so you'll have to spend time there, probably 3 days to a week, before taking your trip.

A general point about visas: The visa requirements depend only on your nationality, not on where you are. The costs and delays in getting the visa, however, do depend on where you are: each consulate or embassy has its own costs and times.

The embassy in Moscow does have a website, do a search in Russian and you'll find it. Search посольство китая в москве.

Udachi Smile
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waxwing



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Red and white wrote:
And it's hard changing money on the Chinese border, so I arrived there effectively penniless and desperate for water but couldn't do much about it until Beijing. Schoolboy error, I'm afraid!


Not hard if you go the Trans-Manchurian. At Manzhouli there are tons of money changers.

Also Suifenhe (admittedly a very rarely used transit point for Western travellers - it's the key border town coming in from Vladivostok).

Also, need I say it, Hong Kong Smile

I haven't tried Vietnam or Laos yet!

I guess Mongolia is just too remote? I admit I'm intrigued that you had trouble changing.
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Red and white



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could be that nobody wants Mongolian togrog (a shame, they're quite pretty as bank notes go). Could have been that we got to the border in the middle of the night.

Could just be that I was too dim to find anyone to help me Embarassed

The Russia-Mongolia border was fine, if you don't mind getting shoddy rates for your roubles, but there was nothing at Erlian and the local stores wouldn't accept other currencies (not even the mighty dollar).
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