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Private Classes - Your Wisdom Please
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE, thanks for your reply. Both brothers are about 11 and they are in basic. The mother is taking class with them but she seems to ignore his hyperactivity.
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Aabra



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Couple suggestions:

#1 Get a *nice* apartment in a central location. Not 10 floors up anywhere either.... it needs to be nice for suggestion #2.

#2 Teach at home. This will make your life so much nicer. Spending hours on buses going all over the city every day is miserable. If you live in a nice apartment in a central location the students won't mind it. You'll make more money and be more flexible. Plus when students cancel at the last minute (and they will) it won't be a big deal as you'll be at home.

#3 Get the money in advance. I can't stress this enough. Make all your students pay for 1 month's worth of classes in advance. If they've already paid for the classes then they will cancel less. It's very easy to skip a class that you don't have to pay for.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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Location: The Mexican Hinterland

PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Gallo wrote:
The mother is taking class with them but she seems to ignore his hyperactivity.


Personally, I would have refused this situation. Having a parent in the same small class as his-her child creates an authority conflict for the child.
I even have a collegue right now who is teaching a husband and wife together and has decided he needs to separate them because they have a long standing role relationship that is inhibiting the wife in the class.
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geaaronson



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a similar situation with a class in which the husband was highly English conversant whereas the wife had above average language skills. The wife was an a secondaria English teacher, the husband an electronics repairman. The husband overshadowed the wife and I tried everything I could to bolster her self confidence,short of taking the husband aside and telling him to be quiet.

There were times when the husband could not make it to class as he would be out of town on business, and I pled with the wife for her to come to class alone, to no avail.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After having just turned down a second business class given at the ungodly hour of 7 a.m., I've decided to put all my efforts into looking for serious private students. The suggestions I've just reread in this thread have been very helpful. I'm lucky to have a nice (if small) apartment in Mexico City in a central location and have decided to only accept students who are willing and able to pre-pay each month's classes. Now I have to start my advertising campaign! If anyone's successfully done this in Mexico City, I'd really appreciate hearing from you!
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geaaronson



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did it in Merida, Yucatan. I put two sets of ads in the better daily paper there, the first was for 4 days, the second for three days. I lined up 3 students for the first ad. One student stayed with me for 3 months, the other two for only a single month. The second ad gained me one student for 7 months. They all paid me 100 pesos per hour and it was mostly conversational English with lists from Dave`s phrasal verbs thrown in.
Classes were once a week. As they were all professionals working busy lives, they had an abstention rate of about 20%.
I would suggest getting one months pay upfront, no cancellations allowed even if you have to underprice. That gives them more incentive not to cancel. I wish I had done that and will initiate that change in policy for the future.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My situation is different, as I'm looking for whole companies, not individuals, but my method also generates a lot of enquiries from individuals too, as I'm not targeting the right person. What I do is:

I buy Sunday's "El Universal", which has tons of job ads. Then I laboriously write all the email addresses into an Excel sheet. (Useful for second campaigns). I write a standard email in Outlook Express and save it. All I have to do later is open the mailing list and email and paste (30 at a time works best) the adresses into the BCC field (so no one knows it is bulk mail) and send. This doesn't work well with free webmail, as it tends to go to the spam folder.

...and if you get enquiries from companies wanting classes for 20+ students, well, you know where you can send them! Very Happy Embarassed
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
After having just turned down a second business class given at the ungodly hour of 7 a.m., I've decided to put all my efforts into looking for serious private students. The suggestions I've just reread in this thread have been very helpful. I'm lucky to have a nice (if small) apartment in Mexico City in a central location and have decided to only accept students who are willing and able to pre-pay each month's classes. Now I have to start my advertising campaign! If anyone's successfully done this in Mexico City, I'd really appreciate hearing from you!


Try up and down Reforma Ave...just meeting people, putting up ads, or handing out flyers if you have to. Lots of work there and close to home.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my own view on this -

I wouldn't turn down business classes, even at 7am. I do prefer evening classes, but I have to earn a living to.

I have picked up most of my classes from word of mouth, and although I have a couple of classes at $180p/h (I've been teaching them for a long time and it seems harsh to raise prices too dramatically!) I charge $250p/h minimum. $300 if the company is paying. I can't see a reason for charging less than $200p/h unless you really need the work.

Students have to pay me fortnightly, after having the lessons - not only does it introduce a new word to their vocab, but it helps me keep track. One week everyone pays me, the next week no one pays me. No confusion that way. I allow 2 cancellations per calendar month, which is pretty standard - they have to pay for any other cancellations beyond that.

I've don't really have any problems. Sometimes they pay a lesson late, but not often enough to be a problem. I won't work for a school, sending me out on business classes, again though. Last one took several months to pay, and by the time I gave up chasing them they still owed me $1,500. Such is life.

I use the Inside Out books where I can too - very good. If only I could get hold of the damn cassettes or CD's! Why do so many book shops not have them in stock?!


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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or handing out flyers


My experience of flyers is that it is an expensive and cost- and time inefficient way of advertising. We spent a month of going to churches in posh areas to advertise a trip to the Holy Land for my wifes travel agency, with practically no return, at least from the flyers.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had some luck with it years ago...just takes one and then word of mouth kicks in. Take that HSBC tower near the Angel for example...get one student there and you're planted, ready to pick up dozens more. Torre Mayor is good too, as well as La Bolsa Mexicana.

Nice thing with flyers - and it is a lot of work - is that you get immediate face time with people.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I use the Inside Out books where I can too - very good. If only I could get hold of the damn cassettes or CD's! Why do so many book shops not have them in stock?!


No only that, but they are ******* expensive - more than the cost of the book! I record the tapescripts using my karaoke microphone and Audacity (free software) and burn them to CDs. A bit difficult getting enough native voices sometimes, though.
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Gary Denness
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
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I use the Inside Out books where I can too - very good. If only I could get hold of the damn cassettes or CD's! Why do so many book shops not have them in stock?!


No only that, but they are ******* expensive - more than the cost of the book! I record the tapescripts using my karaoke microphone and Audacity (free software) and burn them to CDs. A bit difficult getting enough native voices sometimes, though.


I use Audacity for podcasts, but I have just my voice to blast into the mic...might as well just read it out in class! Which is what I do...

But if you have some recorded transcripts for Inside Out, please feel free to send them to me!!! We could always use Odeo or something similar to record and share to add vocal variety, if there were enough people involved.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
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I use the Inside Out books where I can too - very good. If only I could get hold of the damn cassettes or CD's! Why do so many book shops not have them in stock?!


No only that, but they are ******* expensive - more than the cost of the book! I record the tapescripts using my karaoke microphone and Audacity (free software) and burn them to CDs. A bit difficult getting enough native voices sometimes, though.


That's something that is changing right now in the textbook industry--so many of the new books are coming out with an audio CD right in the book, sometimes it's a "student version" and doesn't have all the audio that the teacher or class version does on it--but it's a great change. Also one of the major ELT publishers will soon be launching new books with the audio on-line as mp3 files on the support site so that students can download it directly into their portable mp3 players! Cool
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also one of the major ELT publishers will soon be launching new books with the audio on-line as mp3 files on the support site so that students can download it directly into their portable mp3 players! Cool


Don't be coy now...which publisher?

Cambridge did this with Interchange some years back...annoying as all hell since you needed to buy twice as many CDs! One for the student, one for the class.
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