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InTime · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large

Looks like these folks don't like backpackers/backpacks
From EnLi School of East West Studies...Tianjin

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kev7161 · Joined: 06 Feb 2004 Posts: 5880 Location: Suzhou, China

I think that's a GREAT (ad? contract portion?). If all schools could be so clear on their requirements and stick to those requirements, I think the world of FTs in China would be a much better place. Muddy, ambiguous contracts are what gets most in trouble. Schools are deceiving teachers, teachers are deceiving schools - - - - and we all know the mess so many of us often found ourselves in!

If any teacher (backpacker or otherwise) doesn't want to dress more professionally per the school's rules, then they can choose not to take a job there and (heh) keep on walkin'!!!!

arioch36 · Joined: 21 Jan 2003 Posts: 3589

I kind of agree that some standards are good. I personally find shorts very unprofessional, though in South China, some feel differently

But is that really SAFEA??? I have my doubts. Possibly. But it is a standard that Chinese teachers at universities no longer agree with. I know several Deans that consider blue jeans to be approriate, as they themselves wear such attire to class. I don't see any, any Chinese teachers with ties. I guess maybe I don't hang with the professional teachers

I am sure SAFEA does not have a penalty clause

latefordinner · Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973

Yes, some standards are in principle a good thing, and standards that are clear and clearly reasonable are a better thing. Now if only we could hold schools to some basic standards of profesionalism

vikuk · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842

yes indeed - the standards noted in the OP don't have much to do with teaching - more about dressing the monkey to look the part Laughing

SnoopBot · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA

All good and fine.

However, my questions are:

1. Will they pay a competitive real-wage for that professional look
2. Will the salary be high enough to purchase those business suits
3. Will the classrooms be filthy and full of trash to soil my business suit
4. Will the classrooms be air conditioned so I don't pass out in 40C heat while wearing my business suit.

Point: If they want a professional look, give me a professional salary, a professional teaching environment, in a professional setting.

Brian Caulfield · Joined: 14 Sep 2004 Posts: 1247 Location: China

What kind of golfing handicap do they require In Time ? Can you wear equestrian attire ? They should have things like "Baseball hats must not be worn with the brim facing backwards ." It sounds like Korea where i worked for Korean Telecom . They had things in their dress code such as "No kimchi on your tie" "Hands should never be in pants pockets "

InTime · Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Posts: 1676 Location: CHINA-at-large

In the spirit of:
*mutual benefit
*Win-Win
*by any mean necessary

SnoopBot · Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA

When I first came to China I often wore a suit. Often, I was covered with chalk, and the suit became stained from the dirt in the classrooms I taught at. Trash was all over the floor, windows broken out. I sat on chewed-gum imbedded on chairs a few times.

When Summer came the A/C never worked..

After 6 months I did not wear my suits unless it was for an important function.

If they want to charge 250 for dress code violations they pay must be highly-competitive in their pay. 3000 RMB a month isn't much of a pay level to purchase professional clothing and upkeep.

They also must set a professional working environment, anything else is just a pony-show to impress paying parents.

I see the need for a common sense dress code, but the $500 business suit and tie rule is a little too much if the rest of the important factors are missing.

jammish · Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 1704