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englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

well, it doesn't really happen in a free country that police knocks at your door asking why we live there, does it?

on the topic, i also don't think that the intitial story of this thread has much to do with foreign teachers of english....it's most likely aimed on those characters mentioned here before..having said that, however, i do believe that some of those "F" visa holders on their teaching gigs in southern china might've to rethink their arrangements in future Wink

peace to all kinds of visitors knocking at our doors
and
cheers and beers to hard working FTs in china Very Happy

ispeakgoodenglish · Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:22 am Post subject:

Englishgibson, I thought there may be a little relevance to FTs, especially the ones you mentioned on "F" visas.

malu · Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Posts: 1344 Location: Sunny Java

upchuckles · Joined: 11 Jan 2007 Posts: 111

Typically the schools handle registration and residence formalities.. However, it is the F. Teachers responsibility to ensure this has been done.. and do it if the school hasn't.

andrew_gz · Joined: 15 Feb 2005 Posts: 502 Location: Reborn in the PRC

johnchina · Joined: 24 Apr 2006 Posts: 816

I constantly find it incredible that many people apparently cannot distinguish between the level of freedom found in North Korea/Burma/Saudi Arabia and that in the UK/USA/Australia.

kungfucowboy83 · Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 479

Neilhrd · Joined: 10 Jul 2005 Posts: 233 Location: Nanning, China

I have a nasty suspicion that there is more to what is happening in Guangzhou, as far as FTs are concerned, than some people realise.

I work in Nanning, Guangxi which adjoins Guangzhou. About an hour ago I received the following e mail from my school's Chinese owner via the administrator. It is has been sent to all the foreign teachers.

Dear all,

In order to standardize the management on foreigners�� employments, some policies have been changed in Guangxi by the Foreign Expert Bureau. I would like to choose some related items to let you know as followings:

1. Employers cannot employ foreigners who haven��t finished the last contract.

2. After finishing one contract, employers need to offer a recommendation for the foreigner who can fulfill the job and the contract. For the one who gain bad behaviors, doesn��t respect China and Chinese, act against the rules seriously, break the contract or leave without any acceptable reasons, employers cannot offer the recommendation.

3. New employers need to contact with the old employers to get to know more details of the foreigner.

4. For applying the Foreign Expert Certificate, the recommendation (original one) needs to be offered to Foreign Management sections. For the one who cannot offer will not get the certificate.

5. For applying to change or extend the visa, the recommendation (copy) and the new Foreign Expert Certificate need to be offered. For the one who cannot offer will not permit to deal with.

6. For the foreigner who break contract or leave without any acceptable reasons, the new Foreign Expert Certificate will not be offered, and the Administration of Exit and Enter of Nanning Public Security Bureau will not deal with the visa for changing or extending.

Please read carefully and pay attention to those policies. If you had any questions about these, please come and ask me. And also I can show you the original document in Chinese.

Thank you for supporting.

Apologies for the Chiinglish but I have copied it verbatim.

This tallies with other bits of gossip I have heard including a respected university in Nanning having two prospective teachers refused visas last month. I have no grievance against my present school but others have had in the past and I have also heard that their visas have been refused after they found other employment.

It don't think it threatens me personally as I did complete my last contract. But I wonder if this, taken together with the Guangzhou incidents, is the start of the long rumoured crackdown.

Does anyone know if similar rules have been issued in other provinces?

My immediate reaction is that the new rules could lead to blackmail when schools refuse to provide letters of release to teachers they want to keep but who want to move on after the end of a contract. The rules also seem one sided as usual with no mention of similar standards being applied to schools.

I have a feeling that the gloves have now come off. Traditionally FTs have been reluctant to try to get scam schools closed down. It wasn't worth the hassle when there was always another place to work if you were forced to quit an intolerable situation. But if that option is going to be closed then maybe it is time to reconsider. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander as we say in England.

What do others in here think?

Teatime of Soul · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905

I think you should ask to see the Chinese document, scan or photo it and post it here.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

Yes, having it here on forums in Chinese would be nice. Not that all of us can read (Chinese) but just for the record on.
It'll be interesting to see whether others on the forum have got such/similar email, letter with policies as well.

Interestingly, the breach of contract is in all SIX ITEMS basically. Say, you want to leave an employer that's provided you with unreasonable working environment or's broken your contract and you want to continue in the same city with another employer. It sure looks like WE ARE NOT WELCOME IN THE SAME CITY (if not country), IF WE DO NOT LIKE WHAT WE ARE OFFERED. Smile

A'Moo · Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject:

This is the Chinese governement doing what many of us have blamed them of not being accustomed to in the past-showing tact. Of course this is about running Black drug-dealers and other South-Asian gangsters out of Guangzhou. It is not about running Canadian University grads working for 5000y a month teaching English out. There are two jobs that Native Chinese just cannot do-Teach English and cook/prepare western food.

latefordinner · Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Posts: 973

what do you mean, "western" food?

A'Moo · Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:33 pm Post subject:

Pizza without ketchup.

englishgibson · Joined: 09 Mar 2005 Posts: 4345

A'Moo, while I agree with you on the issue of running those gangs out of the country, I still have the concern over what some have brought it here. In China, cities, provinces and at times employers act at times on their own creating rules/regulations that we may get surprised by. It'd be good to share it all on here rather than ignore it.