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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:11 am Post subject: |
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If it were me, I would look at it as a pretty obvious heads up about the chances of Nova being there in a month. They may have not paid in order to use a defacto last month, and the eviction is a hint to the employees that next month when they are out of a home, they will also be out of a job (without any way home, if they don't have the money for a flight back).
If they ARE planning on being there in a month, are they planning on staffing their branches with gaijin who clean themselves in public washrooms and sleep in parks? Or will they move everyone into cheaper accomodations (not likely, IMO, given the requirement of key money). |
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kendoman1
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 69
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:29 am Post subject: |
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Only if the teacher is stupid enough by moving or vacating there apartment, when the landlord, nova or the agent doesn't have a court ordered eviction signed by a Judge.
This is the only way the teacher can be removed from the apartment and the above mentioned parties don't have these lawful eviction notices, they are relying on the fact that the teacher doesn't know there rights and just vacting the apartment on nova,landlord and agents words.
The fight for the teacher is easy, just refuse to leave the apartment, it's that simple. It's alot easier to find a new job and live with a roof over your head. Once you have a new job and enough money for a new apartment, then you can leave.
The landlord, Nova,agent does not have just cause to get a court ordered eviction. Remember some piece of handwritten, typed eviction notice done by Nova,landlord,agent or one of there lawyers is not enough to evict you.
All parties involved must appear before a Judge if the above mentioned parties attempt to get an eviction notice ,they must show just cause before you and the judge before the judge signs a eviction order, do you think Nova will do this after stealing the teachers rent money? Nova's thirty notice on there accomadation does not mean a thing legally under Japanese tenant law.
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chollimaspeed

Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 120
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:35 am Post subject: |
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Only if the teacher is stupid enough by moving or vacating there apartment, when the landlord, nova or the agent doesn't have a court ordered eviction signed by a Judge.
This is the only way the teacher can be removed from the apartment and the above mentioned parties don't have these lawful eviction notices, they are relying on the fact that the teacher doesn't know there rights and just vacting the aprtment on nova,landlord and agents words.
The fight for the teacher is easy, just refuse to leave the apartment, it's that simple. |
Maybe, but who owns a spare set of keys? Say, for argument's sake, a NOVA teacher goes off to work to do a bit of pro-bono work at his branch and comes home to find all his stuff out on the street and the locks changed. What then? |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:39 am Post subject: |
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They certainly could do that (just not leave their apartment), I suppose. But it doesn't change things much if Nova no longer exists in Osaka come next month. And my point was just that this could be Nova's ever so subtle way of informing the staff of this without actually saying it (because that might involve something akin to confrontation- it's so much easier to screw people over when you don't have to see them and when you refuse to talk to them). Otherwise it makes no sense that they would allow the tenants to be evicted (unless they are just late in paying rent, too!)
Then they will be squatting in apartments from which they've been evicted, with no job and in many cases no way to actually pay the rent even if they got a new job because they wouldn't know who to pay, nor even really how much to pay (it's a pretty common rumour that Nova takes far more than they actually pay the landlord).
But yeah, I have no idea if the evictions are legal, but I highly doubt it. |
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kendoman1
Joined: 14 Jul 2005 Posts: 69
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Call the police at once, this is illegal. You can have the landlord or the person arrested for breaking and enterning, theft and damage to private property. When the police arrive show the damage and make the officer get the landlord at once to open the apartment and put your things back inside.
If the landlord can't produce an court ordered eviction signed by a judge, the officer must then ask if you want to press charges for the above charges against the landlord.
If the officer refuses to help you, make him stay there as you re-enter the apartment anyway that you can and put your items back inside. The next day go to the main police office for your didtrict and report what happened, they will then take care of the officer that refused to help you. |
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chollimaspeed

Joined: 11 Sep 2007 Posts: 120
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
| But yeah, I have no idea if the evictions are legal, but I highly doubt it. |
Any evictions going on won't be legal. The NOVA teachers will have paid their rent up front, they have no choice about it given that it comes out of their paypacket directly. |
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kendoman1
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
They certainly could do that (just not leave their apartment), I suppose. But it doesn't change things much if Nova no longer exists in Osaka come next month. And my point was just that this could be Nova's ever so subtle way of informing the staff of this without actually saying it (because that might involve something akin to confrontation- it's so much easier to screw people over when you don't have to see them and when you refuse to talk to them). Otherwise it makes no sense that they would allow the tenants to be evicted (unless they are just late in paying rent, too!)
Then they will be squatting in apartments from which they've been evicted, with no job and in many cases no way to actually pay the rent even if they got a new job because they wouldn't know who to pay, nor even really how much to pay (it's a pretty common rumour that Nova takes far more than they actually pay the landlord).
But yeah, I have no idea if the evictions are legal, but I highly doubt it. |
It's not squatting, the teacher is living there legal, even if Nova goes bankrupt, the housing goes back into the hands of the landlord and still the landlord would have to evict you by court ordered eviction. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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And if you don't know who to pay, nor how much, what then?
And I'm pretty sure that the apartment leases are under Nova's name, not the tenants' (because of the amount of turnover, and the fact that it is Nova that pays for it). In that case, you actually have no right to stay there, because without Nova, you don't actually have a lease. So legally, you're just some guy who walked into an apartment and put your stuff there (like saying 'oh, I don't rent this apartment Mr. Cop-man, it's my firends. He's moved out now but the landlord needs to see himg about getting paid...no I have no idea how to get a hold of him. But until his lease runs out, it IS his apartment and I'm not leaving!"). And that's not the situation you are describing at all. |
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kendoman1
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:48 am Post subject: |
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You don't need a lease. If you can prove that you were assigned to that apartment by Nova or someone and have proof of paying the rent such as pay-stubs or what have you, this is considered a lease under Japanese tenant law.
I was in the same situation with no lease or contract, but was able to win the right to continue living at the apartment, when they tried to evict me, because I stood for my rights. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| OK, then! |
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Temujin
Joined: 14 Sep 2005 Posts: 90 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:54 am Post subject: |
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| GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
And if you don't know who to pay, nor how much, what then?
And I'm pretty sure that the apartment leases are under Nova's name, not the tenants' (because of the amount of turnover, and the fact that it is Nova that pays for it). In that case, you actually have no right to stay there, because without Nova, you don't actually have a lease. So legally, you're just some guy who walked into an apartment and put your stuff there (like saying 'oh, I don't rent this apartment Mr. Cop-man, it's my firends. He's moved out now but the landlord needs to see himg about getting paid...no I have no idea how to get a hold of him. But until his lease runs out, it IS his apartment and I'm not leaving!"). And that's not the situation you are describing at all. |
This was discussed at an open meeting at the Union recently, and regardless of Nova's position, you have all the same rights as a tenant. You can stay in the apartment until a court orders you to leave. Any other form of "eviction" is meaningless and illegal. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:16 am Post subject: |
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Omeo
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 245
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:09 am Post subject: Pay or No Pay? |
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Stumbled onto this article last night:
http://mdn.mainichi.jp/national/news/20071101p2a00m0na014000c.html
Hypothetically, (I'm still not getting my hopes up, here), anyone know how long would it be before Nova refugees like myself are paid the money we're owed if someone buys them next week? |
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Wintermute
Joined: 11 Jun 2007 Posts: 79
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:20 pm Post subject: |
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| 6 months to a year at the most. Do not expect to see backpay anytime in the near future. |
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Omeo
Joined: 08 Feb 2005 Posts: 245
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: |
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| There was an article in the Chunichi Shinbun today saying that there is a company that's going to buy 30 Nova branches and possibly more in the future. It also said the company will ask the Japanese government to pay the teachers, although we may not get the full pay we're due. Maybe just that 80% I keep hearing about. I didn't actually read the article; this was related to me by my Japanese friend that I'm staying with while I apply for the visa a need to work in Korea. |
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