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Chris420
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| you just CAN'T teach legally in Taiwan without a degree |
This is wrong information realting to teaching EFL on Taiwan.
YES - you can teach EFL on Taiwna without a degree.
All you need is a diploma. |
What about if you have a degree from this university? http://www.yerevancultureuniversity.eu/ After researching it, I found that you need some work experience combined with actual studying. Think Taiwan would accept a degree from this University? |
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TaoyuanSteve
Joined: 05 Feb 2003
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:22 am Post subject: |
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| Chris420 wrote: |
| Miyazaki wrote: |
| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| you just CAN'T teach legally in Taiwan without a degree |
This is wrong information realting to teaching EFL on Taiwan.
YES - you can teach EFL on Taiwna without a degree.
All you need is a diploma. |
What about if you have a degree from this university? http://www.yerevancultureuniversity.eu/ After researching it, I found that you need some work experience combined with actual studying. Think Taiwan would accept a degree from this University? |
It's really hard to give definitive answers. Supposedly, Taiwan keeps a list of accredited universities whose degrees it will accept for the purposes of work visas. But, then, this is Taiwan and I've seen many people with degrees and credentials from sources one wouldn't expect would be acceptable-- and they've managed somehow. Basically, your litmus test is to come here and try out the process. If it works, it works. If not, well...
Alternatively, try asking the recruiting arm of a large company like Hess. They'd probably be able to assess the likelihood of getting a work permit with your credential. |
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Chris420
Joined: 20 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Nov 06, 2007 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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| TaoyuanSteve wrote: |
It's really hard to give definitive answers. Supposedly, Taiwan keeps a list of accredited universities whose degrees it will accept for the purposes of work visas. But, then, this is Taiwan and I've seen many people with degrees and credentials from sources one wouldn't expect would be acceptable-- and they've managed somehow. Basically, your litmus test is to come here and try out the process. If it works, it works. If not, well...
Alternatively, try asking the recruiting arm of a large company like Hess. They'd probably be able to assess the likelihood of getting a work permit with your credential. |
Have you seen anyone with a degree that wasn't necessarily from an English speaking country? Yerevan Culture University is fairly old, not from an english speaking country, but does have accreditation from the local education ministry. (and of course I would do the course in English). You mentioned that you can't really give a definite answer, but just for arguments sake, on a scale between 1 and 10 what chance do you think Yerevan Culture University has in being successful in Taiwan reguarding the chances of getting a work visa? Just a rough estimate is fine for the time being. Also, does Hess provide Teacher Assistants? |
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TaoyuanSteve
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Location: Taoyuan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| Chris420 wrote: |
| Have you seen anyone with a degree that wasn't necessarily from an English speaking country? Yerevan Culture University is fairly old, not from an english speaking country, but does have accreditation from the local education ministry. (and of course I would do the course in English). |
I can't recall many specifics, but I've known of people with forgeries and such. However, these peoples' past "successes" are not indicators of potential future successes and these kinds of practices are illegal.
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| You mentioned that you can't really give a definite answer, but just for arguments sake, on a scale between 1 and 10 what chance do you think Yerevan Culture University has in being successful in Taiwan reguarding the chances of getting a work visa? Just a rough estimate is fine for the time being. Also, does Hess provide Teacher Assistants? |
I really wouldn't want to guess at your chances of success. You seem to be looking for assurances and I really don't want to offer any false hopes or otherwise have you believe you can successfully use this diploma to get a work visa, only to come here and find out you can't.
A general rule of thumb is the less legit the university or its course is, the less likely it will be accepted under normal circumstances.
Without pre-judging this uni, ask yourself: Why are you contemplating this uni anyway? Do you live there? If it is a place you found online and it offers degrees in much reduced times (or no time at all), crediting "work experience," chances are better it is not the kind of university that will legally get you a work permit here (or almost anywhere). If that's the case, I'd say you have as good a chance with a degree forgery purchased in Thailand. |
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Chris420
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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I really wouldn't want to guess at your chances of success. You seem to be looking for assurances and I really don't want to offer any false hopes or otherwise have you believe you can successfully use this diploma to get a work visa, only to come here and find out you can't.
A general rule of thumb is the less legit the university or its course is, the less likely it will be accepted under normal circumstances.
Without pre-judging this uni, ask yourself: Why are you contemplating this uni anyway? Do you live there? If it is a place you found online and it offers degrees in much reduced times (or no time at all), crediting "work experience," chances are better it is not the kind of university that will legally get you a work permit here (or almost anywhere). If that's the case, I'd say you have as good a chance with a degree forgery purchased in Thailand. |
I understand where you're comming from. Reason why I've thought of this is because the place where the university itself is located is accredited by the local government and the Yerevan Culture University is registered with the Ministry of Education of Armenia as an Institution of Higher Education. Below, some helpful links are provided.
Ministry of Education of Armenia
http://www.edu.am/
http://www.edu.am/index.php?menu1=93&menu2=145
http://www.edu.am/DownloadFile/734arm-Voch_petakan_buh.pdf
(See No. 36)
Universities Worldwide
http://www.univ.cc/
On the main site just click on "Accreditation". Now the thing about it is that if I did have a degree from this University it would not be fake. If a future employer were to ask for an address and phone number to call and verify the degree itself, they can do so. Now if I were to go to Thailand and get a fake degree, there would be no record of me on file of the University that the "degree" certificate says it's from. So far this is my views but maybe it won't work. I really don't know. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Chris420 wrote: |
| Miyazaki wrote: |
| clark.w.griswald wrote: |
| you just CAN'T teach legally in Taiwan without a degree |
This is wrong information realting to teaching EFL on Taiwan.
YES - you can teach EFL on Taiwna without a degree.
All you need is a diploma. |
What about if you have a degree from this university? http://www.yerevancultureuniversity.eu/ After researching it, I found that you need some work experience combined with actual studying. Think Taiwan would accept a degree from this University? |
And this is the sort of question and uncertainty when people such as Miyazaki come here and post mis-information.
Chris420 the degree that you are talking about is an online degree right, not a three or four year sit in class and study type degree. If so then forget it as the Taiwan government will not accept it. You won't be the first that has tried and failed here.
I can confirm that the MOE has an internal list of what they consider accredited universities that they will accept the qualifications of. No online degree mills are listed. In some cases otherwise legitimate schools that start to offer online degrees get delisted!! It is possible to get a school added to the list but it involves the submission of a deal of paperwork and the co-operation of that overseas institution, but if the school is not on the list then you won't get a work permit.
My recommendation is for you to have a Chinese friend contact the MOE in Taiwan and ask if that school that you are considering is on the list or not. Perhaps a school that you apply to can do this for you but I would be wary of whether they give you the correct information or not.
Sorry if this post does not sound as positive as you hoped, but I agree with the government's consistency on this as far as classroom hours being the sign of a real degree! |
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hippieshak
Joined: 29 Apr 2008
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Location: Boston, MA
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Does anyone know if it would be possible to obtain a Work Visa without the actual certificate in hand? My friend is going to Taiwan to teach in September, but the physical degree will not be issued until the beginning of October. Is a letter from the university by any means sufficient evidence?
Any advice would be spectacular  |
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forest1979
Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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Location: SE Asia
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| Your 'friend' obviously needs to get a letter from the department/university where he/she has graduated. This would have, I huess, to list the course he had undertaken, the modules within it, and language it was undertaken in, grades, credits, etc - just to be on the safe side. Oh, and he/she would need it to be notorised by an authority in their own country. If you don't notorise it then the MoE or any other Taiwanese government body won't give it the time of day. |
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