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chaz47



Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:02 pm    Post subject: How flooded is the market? Reply with quote

I've all but given up on Japan. I got a no from NOVA and Westgate. The no from NOVA came at the beginning of my illustrious ESL career back in 2004. This led me to actually begin my ESL career in Korea in 2005. After two years in Korea I recently tried for Westgate and received a no also.

I'm 32 and not a quasimodo. I've studied in Japan before and have lived in Asia for over 3 years... so give me a F*CKING job already!!!
Embarassed

Angry... sorry. As I have said I've all but written Japan off but now Korean immigration is pulling some serious Nazi style fearmongering and the chances of ever being my own boss here are slim to nil. So, again, I look to Japan.

And without further ado onto the meat of the post, how flooded is the market after NOVA's fall?

Would I still be able to get a job at a conversation school in Tokyo? I'm definitely ready for the loss of pay at this point. I just need a slice of peace and the chance to not feel like big brother could oust me for suspicion of something. I might as well be back in the US with the freaking Patriot Act.
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Symphany



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:52 pm    Post subject: Jobs in Japan Reply with quote

chaz47

There are actually alot more jobs that are available once you're in Japan, than outside of it. However there are still a few that recruit from outside. One of the easiest to get into is GABA, but there is no guaranteed salary from them -- your earnings are based solely on the numbers of students you can attract and keep. They may do visa sponsorship as well, I know there were interviews in Canada earlier this year. I'm not sure what the job search is like right now as I went through a teaching-in-Japan job search well before the Nova collapse. GABA's website is

www.careers.gaba.co.jp

The other big 3 are AEON, GEOS, and ECC.

www.aeonet.com

www.geoscareer.com

www.japanbound.com

If you're interested in teaching in highschools there is a dispatch company that sends teachers out to schools by the name of Interac. The website is

http://www.interac.co.jp/recruit/

You can try ohayo sensei, which is a job listing site.

www.ohayosensei.com

Another job list is

www.jobsinjapan.com

Among the most famous is

www.gaijinpot.com

Last but not least, there's JET, which is a government run and sponsored program. Its said to be the best teaching program for those who have never taught in Japan before. If you're a Canadian the deadline is looming pretty close, if you're an American you still have a bit of time yet, but not a whole lot.

http://www.jetprogramme.org/e/aspiring/countries.html

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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calm down. You say you have tried only 2 places here and you are ready to give up? C'mon.

Westgate requires experience and a certain level of certification or degree. Do you have either one? Perhaps they rejected you for other reasons. What did they say?

NOVA, well, as much as people liked to say they will take anyone who can fog a mirror, that simply was not true. Obviously, they had their standards and did not hire just anyone. How are we to know why they rejected you? Could have been for any number of reasons.

Symphany has shown you links that are mostly in the FAQ stickies. Have/Had you tried any of them before? Please realize that unless you are physically present on Japanese soil, your options are very limited in finding an employer who is willing to sponsor your visa. About a dozen or so, and you have to cater to their demands for interview schedules whereever you may live.

Right now is a poor time to be looking for teaching jobs here, too. Aside from the NOVA situation putting thousands of people on the street, November and December are the slowest months of the year for hiring. Bide your time.

Oh, no body is going to "give you" a job here. You have to beat out many applicants. One place just had 400 applicants for one position! I have also seen pictures of ex-NOVA teachers hawking their teaching experience on the streets to the tune of 500 yen per 1-point lesson! That's how flooded it is.
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chaz47



Joined: 22 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Westgate requires experience and a certain level of certification or degree. Do you have either one? Perhaps they rejected you for other reasons. What did they say?.


I asked why I wasn't fit and they said something to the tune that they cannot divulge their corporate hiring practices. I have a Bachelor's degree and nearly 3 years of experience in Korea.

Glenski wrote:
Oh, no body is going to "give you" a job here. You have to beat out many applicants. One place just had 400 applicants for one position! I have also seen pictures of ex-NOVA teachers hawking their teaching experience on the streets to the tune of 500 yen per 1-point lesson! That's how flooded it is.


Yikes, that's pretty flooded. My contract in Korea is up the beginning of March though. I'm not looking to begin work now, just trying to plan ahead.
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southofreality



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
Glenski wrote:
Westgate requires experience and a certain level of certification or degree. Do you have either one? Perhaps they rejected you for other reasons. What did they say?.


I asked why I wasn't fit and they said something to the tune that they cannot divulge their corporate hiring practices. I have a Bachelor's degree and nearly 3 years of experience in Korea.

Glenski wrote:
Oh, no body is going to "give you" a job here. You have to beat out many applicants. One place just had 400 applicants for one position! I have also seen pictures of ex-NOVA teachers hawking their teaching experience on the streets to the tune of 500 yen per 1-point lesson! That's how flooded it is.


Yikes, that's pretty flooded. My contract in Korea is up the beginning of March though. I'm not looking to begin work now, just trying to plan ahead.


Yeah, I heard one ex-NOVA instructor was pushed in front of a moving car by another ex-NOVA instructor just after an interview with Interac. Twisted Evil
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ironopolis



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:07 am    Post subject: Re: How flooded is the market? Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
I just need a slice of peace and the chance to not feel like big brother could oust me for suspicion of something. I might as well be back in the US with the freaking Patriot Act.
Rolling Eyes



Err....you do know that as from next week you'll be fingerprinted every time on arrival in Japan, even if you're legally resident here Question
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chaz47



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: How flooded is the market? Reply with quote

ironopolis wrote:
chaz47 wrote:
I just need a slice of peace and the chance to not feel like big brother could oust me for suspicion of something. I might as well be back in the US with the freaking Patriot Act.
Rolling Eyes



Err....you do know that as from next week you'll be fingerprinted every time on arrival in Japan, even if you're legally resident here Question


Shocked

Nope... didn't know that one. Will Japan lead the world in RFIDs?(?)
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jademonkey



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:49 am    Post subject: Re: How flooded is the market? Reply with quote

chaz47 wrote:
I've all but given up on Japan. I got a no from NOVA and Westgate. The no from NOVA came at the beginning of my illustrious ESL career back in 2004. This led me to actually begin my ESL career in Korea in 2005. After two years in Korea I recently tried for Westgate and received a no also.

[i]I'm 32 and not a quasimodo. I've studied in Japan before and have lived in Asia for over 3 years... so give me a F*CKING job already!!!
Embarassed


You obviously haven't applied for many jobs, and expect the world to revolve around you. If you want a job, actually look for more than say, two. I recently got a job here where I live after a total of 40 applications, hours of interview practice at home and five interviews. Actually, on second thought, keep up your attitude. It'll make it easier for me to get a job if I ever decide to work there with competition like you