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Why do you STILL stay here?

 
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nawlinsgurl



Joined: 01 May 2004
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Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:28 pm    Post subject: Why do you STILL stay here? Reply with quote

Ok maybe this has been asked before, but I have to ask it again: Why do you STILL stay here? What keeps you in Japan?

I know a lot of people here have families or are married with a Japanese spouse, but for the others, what is keeping you here?

I am always asked this question by my father and he can't seem to understand why I'm not ready to come back to the States just yet.

For me, I think I'm still here because it's kinda an escape from reality. I don't have to worry about safety and so far, there hasn't been any terrorism here. I have a job that supports me and allows me to travel, gives me tons of holidays, and isn't hard or requires much brain power. (Maybe that last one is a bad thing...)

Plus I want to take the JLPT and hopefully reach a level 1 or 2 one day. My father keeps telling me "One day you must come back here and start a 'real' career." (By this, I'm assuming he means one with a retirement plan?) And I guess you really can't teach English forever...

I guess those reasons aren't enough to satisfy his question...

But what about everyone else here? Confused
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RingofFire



Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Why do you STILL stay here? Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
I am always asked this question by my father and he can't seem to understand why I'm not ready to come back to the States just yet.

This is sort of like asking all the immigrants in the US why they're still there.

I don't live in Japan now but I did and I will be going back early next year. I don't necessarily view it as escaping from reality but I don't begrudge anyone who says it is (I've always thought of reality as very depressing and boring, how do you blame people for wanting to get away from that?). Many people also leave after a year and that's alright, too.

But for me, I've fallen in love with the profession, with learning Japanese and with the place. It breaks my heart sometimes - for example, if I ever decide to teach Japanese, I know I'll never get a real stable job teaching it to foreigners in Japan or back here in the States because there is plenty of discrimination against non-native Japanese teachers in the field, IMO - but any relationship involving a certain level of emotional commitment does that.

I don't know why anyone would say one "really can't teach English forever", though. There are plenty of lifelong professionals in the field, both in practice and in research. Like them, I've made it their career; it probably won't make me rich but I'm doing what I love and it keeps me stable.

Above all, you do have to love teaching if you want to make a life out of it. If it is for any other reason - because you can travel, because you can pay off loans - anyone can stay for a couple of years, but eventually the classroom will become too much pressure and will ultimately get those teachers to leave.
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cornishmuppet



Joined: 27 Mar 2004
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Location: Nagano, Japan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Because in terms of salary, social life, costs, not getting punched in clubs, weather, activities, general relaxation, live here is better than it was back home.

Saying that, I fell out of love with Japanese food a long time ago. And the TV sucks beyond all imagining. A small price to pay.
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gaijin4life



Joined: 23 Sep 2006
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Location: Westside of the Eastside, Japan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Why do you STILL stay here? Reply with quote

Quote:
Why do you STILL stay here? What keeps you in Japan?[


Although I think Im also 'falling out of love w the place..' Confused or perhaps just adopting a more balanced realistic view, Im still here at the moment cos when I think of other countries where I could go and work doing a similar job (China, Korea, Vietnam etc...) it just seems that its easier to live and work here than in those countries (- although Ive not actually worked there, I have friends who have/are..)

Am considering 'where to next' though ..
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nawlinsgurl



Joined: 01 May 2004
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Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....

PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies. I guess it was kinda a crazy post. But I was just curious what was keeping ppl in Japan. I've had moments where I was pretty much ready to go home, but I've stayed. Dunno why...

Teaching can be done forever, but I guess I'm beginning to worry about retirement and all that. Plus at my job, I'm the only English teacher. I was thinking if I want to have a kid, it would be near impossible to still work there. (Would they hire another teacher temp?) So those are just a few things.

Still it's good to know why ppl stay.
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Vince



Joined: 05 May 2003
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Life in Japan is no less of a reality than life in the West. The Japanese reality is simply that they manage their society differently. Japan has an extremely robust economy, and the Japanese generally do an excellent job of securing things like housing and retirement. Granted, it's a different way of thinking and living that not all Westerns can adopt. But living overseas doesn't necessarily mean you're frittering your life away.

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RingofFire



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nawlinsgurl wrote:
Teaching can be done forever, but I guess I'm beginning to worry about retirement and all that.

You think the rest of us don't?
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Dr. Gibbons



Joined: 12 Jun 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I am still in Japan.

1) I don't have to lock my house or my bicycle.

2) I wrote my "secret" pin number on a piece of paper and gave it to the teller when I opened my bank account and nobody thinks that's weird.

3) Uniformed people wearing white gloves guide you into parking spaces.

4) Parents don't yell at or hit their kids in public.

5) My town policeman actually bows when he sees me.

6) Customer service is out of this world.

7) I can ignore unpleasant people by pretending I don't understand Japanese.

Cool Tax and tip are not added to the cost of a meal.

9) You can drink anywhere.

10) You're never more than 5 steps from a vending machine.

11) Trains are on time.

12) etc. etc. etc.
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southofreality



Joined: 12 Feb 2007
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Location: Tokyo

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Gibbons wrote:
This is why I am still in Japan.


OK. Let's hear it.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

1) I don't have to lock my house or my bicycle.

What's your address? Just for data gathering purposes.


Dr. Gibbons wrote:

2) I wrote my "secret" pin number on a piece of paper and gave it to the teller when I opened my bank account and nobody thinks that's weird.

A lot of foreigners don't think it's weird to let the clerks at Tsutaya photocopy their alien registration cards when they open up accounts there. Rolling Eyes

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

3) Uniformed people wearing white gloves guide you into parking spaces.

Almost as cool as uniformed people carrying orange wands waving you around other uniformed guys, also carrying orange wands, who wave you around cones set in place to keep you from entering a construction site.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

4) Parents don't yell at or hit their kids in public.

God, I wish they would sometimes. Ok, maybe not the hitting part, but I'd feel better seeing some of those little ba*@ards getting laid into with a verbal tirade once in a while.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

5) My town policeman actually bows when he sees me.

Just one policeman? In the whole town? Sounds like a reason why you would stay in a small town.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

6) Customer service is out of this world.

Hard to argue with this one.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

7) I can ignore unpleasant people by pretending I don't understand Japanese.

But, it is hard to ignore the ones who want to speak English with you. And, don't say that you pretend you don't understand English, either. They know better. In fact, all Japanese know that all white people speak English. You can't fool them on that one.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

Cool Tax and tip are not added to the cost of a meal.

A good thing... when the cost of the meal itself isn't twice as much as you'd pay for an equivalent meal back home. Of course, I can't get Japanese food back home that's as good as the real deal here. I'm just not sure if the real deal is worth twice as much.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

9) You can drink anywhere.

And you can take a leak and/or puke anywhere, too. Very Happy

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

10) You're never more than 5 steps from a vending machine.

Energy expended in a 5-step walk = 0.5 Kcal
1 pet bottle of green tea = 125 Kcal

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

11) Trains are on time.

Another one that is hard to argue with. They do get off schedule when someone jumps in front of one, though. But, people rarely do that here.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:
12) etc. etc. etc.

Does this include the 'opapi' guy and Ikko?
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taffer



Joined: 03 Nov 2006
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Location: Japan

PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Japan is the most chilled out, safe, predictable and boring place I have taught in to date. I mean that as a high compliment.
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nawlinsgurl



Joined: 01 May 2004
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Location: Kanagawa and feeling Ok....

PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But you gotta love how Japan is keeping everyone employed by building stuff! I mean they are always building something. Even if you live in the middle of nowhere, I bet there is a massive gathering of orange cones and lights at a construction site in your town.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

4) Parents don't yell at or hit their kids in public.


I have to agree. I mean I never saw any kids get beat senseless in the States, but I know a few here who could use a good womp on the head.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

5) My town policeman actually bows when he sees me.


The police where I am are virtually useless and I think are just there fill a job vacancy.

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

6) Customer service is out of this world.


True, but what about the idiotic rules there are in place? It's near impossible to get them to NOT put mayo on my sandwich and why is it so hard to push two tables together for a large party????

Dr. Gibbons wrote:

7) I can ignore unpleasant people by pretending I don't understand Japanese.


I can. I have gotten really really good at pretending I don't speak English and/or pretending their (sometimes really good) English is impossible to understand. They then look dumbfounded and scurry home to practice more listening/speaking exercises!
Dr. Gibbons wrote:


Dr. Gibbons wrote:
12) etc. etc. etc.

Does this include the 'opapi' guy and Ikko?
What is with that Opapi??? I don't get the joke.
Rolling Eyes
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johanne



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not quite sure what the whole Opapi thing is either but my six year old and her friends won't stop saying it. The kindergarten teacher is going crazy because not only do they say it non-stop, they then fall into fits of giggles.
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TK4Lakers



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are several reasons why I stay here.

One, I have a decent, stable job (not in the teaching industry).
Two, Japan is very safe and living in Tokyo is awesome...can get around easily, drink anywhere, great food, etc

I also enjoy meeting people here and expanding my network. In a lot of ways, Tokyo is very diverse.

But to make it simply I am here now because there isn't much back home. I move back home now, I can probably find a job and make a living. But gone is my life here. Gone are the people I see at parties or for dinner, gone are the waves on the weekend, gone is the peaceful nature and friendliness of the Japanese people, gone is the great delicious food, gone is the efficient train system and gone is all of that Japan has to offer but I am yet to find.
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wabisabi365



Joined: 04 Feb 2007
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Location: japan

PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What keeps me in Japan...

Japan has become my home. When I visit Canada for any length of time, I get homesick for everything waiting for me back here in Japan... My partner, my friends, co-workers, standard of living, food, safety, customer service, efficient transportation, amazing weekend get-aways, a social life that is always hopping just outside my front door, convenience, time to pursue music and writing... I had some, but not all of these things in Canada. In Japan, I have it all. The only thing that brings me down is the fact that my parents are unable to travel the distance anymore (thus 2 - 3 trips for me back to Canada each year, and the ensuing homesickness for Japan that I've come to expect each time I go).

That's what keeps me here. I love it.

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