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Japanese to hunt humpback whales for "research"
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Vince



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:46 pm    Post subject: Japanese to hunt humpback whales for "research" Reply with quote

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21877284/

Japan fleet sets off to hunt humpbacks
Activists vow to disrupt first hunt for protected whales in decades
The Associated Press
updated 4:33 a.m. ET, Mon., Nov. 19, 2007
SHIMONOSEKI, Japan - A Japanese whaling fleet sailing toward waters off Antarctica to kill protected humpback whales was itself the target of a hunt Monday by environmental activists who vowed to disrupt the expedition.

Greenpeace said its protest ship Esperanza was searching for the fleet south of Japanese territorial waters and would shadow the ships to the South Pacific to try to reduce their catch.

�It�s a large ocean, but we�re going to track them down,� expedition member Dave Walsh told The Associated Press by telephone Monday.

The Japanese fleet was embarking on the country�s largest whaling expedition, targeting protected humpbacks for the first time since the 1960s. In a farewell ceremony Sunday for the four-ship expedition, officials told a crowd at the southern Japanese port of Shimonoseki that Japan should preserve its whale-eating culture.

�They�re violent environmental terrorists,� mission leader Hajime Ishikawa said. �Their violence is unforgivable ... We must fight against their hypocrisy and lies.�

Families waved little flags emblazoned with smiling whales and the crew raised a toast with cans of beer, while a brass band played �Popeye the Sailor Man.�

The whalers plan to kill up to 50 humpbacks in what is believed to be the first large-scale hunt for the once nearly extinct species since a 1963 moratorium in the Southern Pacific put the giant marine mammals under international protection.

The mission also aims to take as many as 935 minke whales and up to 50 fin whales in what Japan�s Fisheries Agency says is its largest-ever scientific whale hunt. The expedition lasts through April.

Japan says it needs to kill the animals in order to conduct research on their reproductive and feeding patterns.

Alleged cover for commercial whaling
While scientific whale hunts are allowed by the International Whaling Commission, or IWC, critics say Japan is simply using science as a cover for commercial whaling.

Ken Findlay, a whale biologist at the University of Cape Town in South Africa, said the humpback population was recovering but said he was worried Japan would kill whales from vulnerable breeding grounds like those off New Zealand.

He also said Japan�s hunting methods were unnecessarily cruel. Japanese whalers sometimes chase wounded animals for hours, he said.

�I don�t think firing a harpoon at a whale and then dragging it next to the ship is ethical,� Findlay said. �You question the necessity of that. It�s not research.�

An IWC moratorium on commercial whaling took effect in 1986, but Japan � where coastal villages have hunted whales for hundreds of years � has killed almost 10,500 mostly minke and Brydes whales under research permits since then. Tokyo has argued unsuccessfully for years for the IWC to overturn the moratorium.

Hunt growing quickly
The Japanese hunt, which puts meat from the whales on the commercial market, is growing rapidly despite an increasingly vocal anti-whaling movement. This winter season�s target of up to 1,035 whales is more than double the number the country hunted a decade ago.

Japan argues that it should have the right to hunt whales as long as they are not in danger of extinction.

The American Cetacean Society estimates the humpback population has recovered to about 30,000-40,000 � about a third of the number before modern whaling. The species is listed as �vulnerable� by the World Conservation Union.

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What has your experience been when discussing whaling with Japanese? The overwhelming reaction I've gotten is that it's Japanese tradition, and that they didn't even want to be bothered with compromises. It seems to be the Japanese version of the Korean dog meat debate.

If presented as "what is your reaction to the international opposition" and not "why do Japanese do this," it can drive a good lesson.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese to hunt humpback whales for "research" Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
What has your experience been when discussing whaling with Japanese? The overwhelming reaction I've gotten is that it's Japanese tradition, and that they didn't even want to be bothered with compromises. It seems to be the Japanese version of the Korean dog meat debate.
Koreans love to hunt and eat whales as well. There's a new whale processing plant in Ulsan, as well as a brand new whale museum (because Koreans love whales!). It's for processing whale meat from all the accidental kills.
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Vince



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First I've heard of whaling in Korea. Are there any issues with overconsumption or hunting endangered species?

from the article wrote:
�They�re violent environmental terrorists,� mission leader Hajime Ishikawa said. �Their violence is unforgivable ... We must fight against their hypocrisy and lies.�

This sounds like something you'd hear from North Korea.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Japanese to hunt humpback whales for "research" Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
What has your experience been when discussing whaling with Japanese? The overwhelming reaction I've gotten is that it's Japanese tradition, and that they didn't even want to be bothered with compromises. It seems to be the Japanese version of the Korean dog meat debate.

If presented as "what is your reaction to the international opposition" and not "why do Japanese do this," it can drive a good lesson.


I've done this debate in the past with higher level students. Surprisingly, in several different classes it was close to 50-50, for and against. The 'It's tradition' explanation gets thrown out there a lot, but there's never much elaboration on it. Some students will point out other traditions that have fallen by the wayside in last half-century and will ask why there is such a strong desire to continue whaling, but nobody ever seems to provide a meaningful answer.

I ate whale meat one time (unknowingly) during a school lunch in a rural town. I wolfed down my delicious lunch and asked a nearby student, in English, what kind of meat was featured in our lunches. The student looked puzzled and then called out across the room to the Japanese teacher, 'Sensei, kujira tte nani? Eigo de...' At that moment, I reflected on how I had vowed not to eat horse or whale while here in Japan, and how in the first 6 months I had managed to try both.

Actually, I tried the horse willingly. And you know what? Both were delicious. If given the chance, I might eat whale again if I'm really hungry.
Actually, some of my Japanese friends tell me they want to continue eating whale, despite the international opposition, because they know how delicious it is. I can kind of see what they mean. Although, I'm going to do my best to take a pass on whale meat in the future. I've just got a gut feeling that I should. Wink
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Vince



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't oppose eating whale meat. What bothers me is immoderate hunting and methods that are far less humane than they could be. If I were in a society in which I felt confident that the whaling didn't have these problems, I'd eat it.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ethical arguments aside, eating whale could be really bad for you.

Recent studies, which have not been widely reported in the media, have found that all meat from sea mammals here contains unhealthy levels of mercury. Some samples had levels significantly higher than the fish taken from the bay during the Minamata tragedy. Meat from dolphins caught around Japan is sometimes labelled whale meat, and it is apparently the worst. Even small amounts of mercury can affect the brain and nervous system and brain, making meat from sea mammals dangerous to eat even occasionally.

A guy I know tried to see if he could source meat only from the whales taken from the Southern Ocean, as that is relatively clean apparently, but he found that it's impossible to be sure at the consumer end what you are getting and labelling is often inaccurate. He was previously a committed whale eater, but in light of recent research has stopped eating whale.

Time Magazine and the Japan Times both reported on this recently- here is the Japan Times article: http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fe20070801a1.html

It is mostly about dolphins, but whale meat is also mentioned: "The health ministry has been aware of the mercury problem in small cetaceans (not to mention in the meat from great whales) for many years, but so far it has refused to ban the sale of such food products."

Eat whale if you must, but be aware that it is quite possibly contaminated.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vince wrote:
I don't oppose eating whale meat. What bothers me is immoderate hunting and methods that are far less humane than they could be. If I were in a society in which I felt confident that the whaling didn't have these problems, I'd eat it.


I find it strange that Japan is so vehement in opposing the rest of the world on this issue.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arent these whales and endangered species? or near to being an endangered species? They said something about that on the news the other day. If that is true then I am completely againest if but if not, then meat is meat...right?
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