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hartlepool
Joined: 31 Oct 2007
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 Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:55 am Post subject: help i am drowning in red tape |
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I have been accepted by an organisation for their Teach in China programme. it sounds perfect and i am very happy with the organisation ........ BUT the number of forms i am having to complete and hoops i have to jump through is getting me down.
they want me to pay for xrays and bring the xrays with me to china, pay for tests for HIV, hepatitis, syphilis and on top of that i have to get something called an enhanced police disclosure document. Lord knows what else they are going to ask for. and all this for a five month placement with a weeks training in shanghai to start.
is all this really necessary? does every teacher have to go through all this?
i am looking at paying about eight hundred pounds sterling just to let them do the admin and another eight hundred pounds for fares and mecidal exams etc.
would it just be cheaper to hop on a plane with a tourist visa and learn TEFL in beijing or shanghai and then get a job or would i have to go through all this red tape if i was offered a job anyway?
any information would be much appreciated |
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The Voice Of Reason
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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800 quid on getting papers you don't need to get in the UK, sod that.
Medical checks are paid for by the employer, done in China, and I've never (6 years in China, 4 different employers, 3 different provinces) required a police document (not even a speeding fine to my name I'll have you know) from my home country (UK too). |
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Lister
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah that sounds like a scam. |
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hairuo
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Location: Somewhere in China
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| For the record, a job teaching at a hospital in Henan wanted all that.... but I have never been asked for it otherwise. Needless to say, I did not take the hospital job. |
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vikuk
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| I have been accepted by an organisation for their Teach in China programme. |
what kind of people does this programme not accept - what are the most important considerations, an applicants academic background, or is it the amount money they're willing to fork out for their chance to work in China  |
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Anda
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Location: Jiangsu Province
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:10 am Post subject: |
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1,000.00 GBP = 15,224.76 CNY
United Kingdom Pounds China Yuan Renminbi
1 GBP = 15.2248 CNY 1 CNY = 0.0656825 GBP
You could live in the city where I work and pay rent on 1,000 pounds for six months. An apartment locally goes for 350 to 500 RMB a month. In Shanghai it would cost you 3,000 to 4,500 RMB for the same.
Do you have a Uni degree? |
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Anda
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Location: Jiangsu Province
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:12 am Post subject: Um |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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SCAM ALERT, SCAM ALERT
Dude you may have to do some of this stuff but it's dirt cheap for the med exams in China.
You are wasting lts of money and you know nothing of this organization do you?
Don't pay admin fees to find a job in China, please. |
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u24tc
Joined: 14 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:46 am Post subject: |
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No way it is 800 pounds. Sounds like a scam to me.
If you are from the UK and they request you do the medical, max in UK is 150 pounds. I know because I've asked.
OR you can simply do it in China for around 450 rmb (full medical) |
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Brian Caulfield
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| I had to do all this before working in Taiwan and when I arrived I had to do it again . They didn't trust the foreign doctors. My friend who worked here for 6 months did the same thing and had to do it all over again in China and she is a doctor. |
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arioch36
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Askswino
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| If you are going to Hunan you need to have a physical examination form before they will issue the invitation docs, |
Did you personally have a school in Hunan tell you that you had to get a medical before getting an invitation letter? Very very strange. This school is dead wrong. Hunan is not different, all the teachers I know (more then a few). Same set up for Hunan. The school sends you the invitation letter, you get your z-visa, you arrive in country, and before you can get your residence stamp, you must get your medical, which the school is supposed to pay for, unless they con you into paying for it.
How would a school in hunan even know if you have had your physical? Fax a copy of your medical to them? never heard of such thing |
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arioch36
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| PS, you are definitely getting scammed, from the sound of it |
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johnchina
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| Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:25 am Post subject: none |
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As has been said, you get the medical done in China. It's been that way nationwide for years.
The police thing is just a printout of the information held about you on the police computer. In the UK it costs 10 pounds (or did a few years ago). I've never been asked for this in China, but it's the norm in many countries.
You have to go through the medical to get a Z (work) visa. If you decide to work illegally (on a tourist/business visa), there's none of this. (Do not take this as a recommendation to work in China illegally!) |
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arioch36
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Askawino
I can imagine any school not wanting to know what kind of disease you've been toting.. |
John China said it all, as do the stickys on the subject
The school doesn't care. After you arrive in China you will have to take the physical, which the school submits to the province as part of the paperwork to get your red expert certificate books, and to get your passport stamped with your residence certificate. The school won't look twice at the medical.
The process is first invitation letter to your home country (before any medical), invitation letter and passport to the cChina consulate in your home country (they will not want a medical, if you ask the consulate or look up the rules on the Chinese embassy web site). The consulate gives you a visa, which allows you to enter in country for 30 days.
After arriving in country (those who come on a z-visa), you must sign a contract and get a medical done.
Medicals done in your home country will not be accepted, except possible if you really do all the red tape ... pay your provincial government notary to stamp all the papers, and do all the medical portions according to what the provibnce in China demands.
Oh, a note on that... some have seen the Chinese medical exam form that does exists and asks questions that defy understanding. This form that some insist on ... is not used at all in country. The Chinese provinces have special clinics in province, you must use these clinics, and the exam is totally similar to the west, blood pressure, eye exam, blood test, chest x-ray
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askawino
I've been looking at jobs in Hunan for awhile and every LEGAL job I've applied to has explained to me that the physical examination form is required. (university positions) |
Certainly this has been said to death on stickys. After arriving you must take a medical. Not before arriving |
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jeffinflorida
Joined: 22 Dec 2004
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Location: "I'm too proud to beg and too lazy to work" Uncle Fester, The Addams Family season two
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Atrioch; I can imagine any school not wanting to know what kind of disease you've been toting.. I've been looking at jobs in Hunan for awhile and every LEGAL job I've applied to has explained to me that the physical examination form is required. (university positions)
If there wasn't a requirement, then why is there a physical examination form? fakkin retaahd |
I have worked at 3 universities since I started down this China path - only the first had me do a medical and that was it. |
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