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Guy Courchesne
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 Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:04 pm Post subject: AMLO's Back |
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There will be a rally in the Zocalo, Mexico City to commemorate AMLO's Revolution Day crowning as the 'legitimate president' of Mexico. This will tie in to the release of the Luis Mandoki and PRD film Fraude:Mexico 2006
Should be interesting to see. PRD is fractured right now, and Sunday's event and movie release may be the first sign of a showdown between AMLO and everyone's presumed 2012 presidential candidate, Mexico City mayor Marcelo Ebrard. |
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Phil_K
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting to note that AMLO wants to stand in 2012. If he is the president (according to him), how can that be?  |
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TheLongWayHome
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| Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Strange how what made the news (government propaganda) was the riot in the cathedral, diverting the public's attention chupacabra style from what was really going on. And no hubo detenidos... I can't imagine who might have been behind this 'distraction'. |
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Guy Courchesne
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| The riot by PRD hardcore types was enough of a news item that sensible PRD leadership denounced it. What kind of fools walk into a church and start kicking people around? I thought they only did that in 60's Mississippi. If the climate wasn't already so politicized, I'm sure you'd see charges against Senator Rosario Ibarra for inciting such a shameful display. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| The riot by PRD hardcore types was enough of a news item that sensible PRD leadership denounced it. What kind of fools walk into a church and start kicking people around? I thought they only did that in 60's Mississippi. If the climate wasn't already so politicized, I'm sure you'd see charges against Senator Rosario Ibarra for inciting such a shameful display. |
According to La Jornada, the whole incident is the fault of the Cathedral bell-ringers for sounding the call to noon mass too long and too loud! |
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Prof.Gringo
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Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| MO39 wrote: |
| Guy Courchesne wrote: |
| The riot by PRD hardcore types was enough of a news item that sensible PRD leadership denounced it. What kind of fools walk into a church and start kicking people around? I thought they only did that in 60's Mississippi. If the climate wasn't already so politicized, I'm sure you'd see charges against Senator Rosario Ibarra for inciting such a shameful display. |
According to La Jornada, the whole incident is the fault of the Cathedral bell-ringers for sounding the call to noon mass too long and too loud! |
Yeah, La Jornada is a great, unbiased place to get your news. Also, if you don't like the church ringing its bells, go some other place (please) and protest. Not in the Zocalo. I think that AMLO is now reduced to a joke. PRD should have jettisoned him a long time ago. I agreed with many of the things he said while running for president, but his antics and behavior afterwords showed most people that he's not fit to be the president of Mexico, except in his own, delusional mind.
Mexico needs change. Radical change. It needs to help itself and to reduce poverty. It needs both social programs and foreign investment. The petty politics and rampant corruption here are just another day as usual for most people. The culture of corruption needs to be changed at all levels of society. Why pay tax when it just lines the pockets of some politico, whether they be from the PAN, PRI or PRD?
Education is part of the solution, but its not the solution. Kinda hard to tell people to get an education when they finish high school, uni, and grad school and they still can't find a job.
Mexicans need to look forward to a better Mexico and find out where they fit in to that. Looking to the north and expecting to always have a safety valve there isn't going to cut it anymore. Calderon has some great ideas (Mexico 2030) but it remains to be seen if he can get that translated to action. He's made a lot of progress, but more needs to be done at all levels. People need a sense of social responsibility, not the same old "its not my problem" way of thinking. |
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MO39
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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According to La Jornada, the whole incident is the fault of the Cathedral bell-ringers for sounding the call to noon mass too long and too loud! |
Yeah, La Jornada is a great, unbiased place to get your news. Also, if you don't like the church ringing its bells, go some other place (please) and protest. Not in the Zocalo. |
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I am aware of the left-wing political bent of La Jornada: I was just presenting another point of view, one that many, Mexicans and others, may agree with, though, I, of course, do not! The rally was held in the Z�calo (I assume with official permission from the DF government) because that's traditionally the place where such gatherings are held in the capital, church-bell ringing notwithstanding.
By the way, Prof. Gringo, I do agree with most of the other comments in your post: Mexico's need for radical change in the near future; the problems of corruption; the pressing need for improvements to the education system; and the ultimately self-defeating strategy of using migration to El Norte as a solution to the problem of poverty and lack of decent-paying jobs for many of its citizens. |
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MELEE
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| Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ...and the ultimately self-defeating strategy of using migration to El Norte as a solution to the problem of poverty and lack of decent-paying jobs for many of its citizens. |
I just heard an interesting news story on our local radio. It was about the failure of a government aid program designed to curb migration of rural Oaxacans. It said that 90% of the beneficiaries of the program decided to keep migrating anyway, because then they had the aid money AND the money they earned in the US. |
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Phil_K
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| MELEE, I think that is typical of the attitude in Mexico that will make progress difficult. I was always taught to help those who help themselves. When a well-meaning government does that and gets it thrown back in its face, it doesn't give much incentive to help people. |
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Guy Courchesne
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I be walkin god like a dog
My narrative fearless
Word war returns to burn
Like Baldwin home from Paris, Uh
Like steel from a furnace
I was born landless
Yes its tha native son
Born of Zapatas guns
Stroll through the shanties
And tha cities remains
Same bodies buried hungry
But with different last names
The vultures robbin everything
Leave nothing but chains
Pick a point on the globe
Yes tha pictures tha same
Theres a bank, theres a church, a myth and a hearse
A mall and a loan, a child dead at birth
Theres a widow pig parrot
A rebel to tame
A whitehooded judge
A syringe and a vein
And the riot be the rhyme of the unheard |
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geaaronson
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Location: Mexico City
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| Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:33 pm Post subject: incentive |
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Phil K
I don`t understand the last sentence about incentive. Please clarify. |
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