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thrifty



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bayden wrote:
thrifty wrote:
It is difficult to relate as those back home often have good jobs with futures whereas we have lousy no hope jobs and when we return home have to sponge off relatives for a place to stay.

Laughing Laughing Laughing
No that's you trapped in a lousy no hope job.
If so bitter about your situation, why not chuck it in and go back and get a job with a future. Rolling Eyes
Boy, I hope I never run into you down the pub.


What would I put on my CV?
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denise



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree about the "you're so lucky" comment. Luckily, it has only happened to me once, and that was waaaaay back before I started teaching, when I spent a month in Guatemala to do a summer Spanish course. My ex had the nerve to say that he envied me--I believe his exact words were, "I wish I could just up and go to Guatemala!" GRRRRRRR!!!! So today he has a house, car, new TV, etc. (I don't really know, not having kept in touch with the boy), and I have had several years of travel and experiences that I wouldn't trade for anything. Plus a career that I truly love, one that doesn't make me pray for the weekend or for the next holiday. It's all about priorities.

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Wild Bill



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems that every time I went home, it was like walking into a time warp. I had progressed, but every thing was just the same. But as for "oh woe is me", most of my pals envy the fact I did the overseas gig. Now I am teaching in an American High. Boy, DO I MISS BEING OVERSEAS!!!!

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Topo Gigo



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re the You're so lucky thing - you are lucky. If by accident of birth, you happened to have been born, say, in Eastern Europe or somewhere in Africa where the local language wasn't sought after by most of the world and the local economy/infrastructure made going abroad pretty difficult, then you probably wouldn't be where you are now.

That said, I do get that it would grate coming from someone with the same background and opportunities as you, who doesn't have those things cos they've chosen something else...and as that's the point you seem to be making, I'll shut up now. Cool
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sheeba



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It is difficult to relate as those back home often have good jobs with futures whereas we have lousy no hope jobs and when we return home have to sponge off relatives for a place to stay.


For once I agree with thrifty Shocked !! But the job , the future isn't really the important aspect of my life .Life experience outweighs any of that .Travelling widens your horizons and takes your brain to a level that is so different and so personal that you can't relate -not just to those at home but to anyone .It's personal and personal information is sometimes better left that way .
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rusmeister



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to offer a counterpoint, G.K. Chesterton said that travel narrows the mind. His argument is interesting.
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denise



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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Topo Gigo wrote:
Re the You're so lucky thing - you are lucky. If by accident of birth, you happened to have been born, say, in Eastern Europe or somewhere in Africa where the local language wasn't sought after by most of the world and the local economy/infrastructure made going abroad pretty difficult, then you probably wouldn't be where you are now.

That said, I do get that it would grate coming from someone with the same background and opportunities as you, who doesn't have those things cos they've chosen something else...and as that's the point you seem to be making, I'll shut up now. Cool


Very true. I thought about adding something like that to my post, but I guess I made the sweeping and potentially incorrect generalization that most of us on this board, and most of our families, friends, etc., are more or less middle class in our home environments. Thus, we are all lucky enough to be able to choose.

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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I'm lucky to have friends back home who are pretty savvy travellers. However the families ignorance can be a bit annoying - when I worked in Spain they would relate to it only in terms of their package holidays and to me they'd never experienced "the real Spain." Since moving to Latvia I've just given up altogether with them - most of them seem to think it's somewhere in the middle of Russia and now I just grit my teeth when the irrelevant jokes about Cossack dancers and stuff are made. That said I do try to keep in mind that they really have no need to know about such places.

The comments that have annoyed me most have been those which somehow belittle my efforts in my chosen career. Being asked when I'm going to get a "proper job" , being told that I'm getting money just for "chatting to women". The most annoying question for some reason is being asked "but how can you teach English to people when you don't know the local language?" An attitude that sums up to me exactly why British people are so poor at languages as they're taught completely the wrong way in the UK.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Thu Sep 28, 2006 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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but how can you teach English to people when you don't know the local language?"


Just ask your relatives who was translating English for them when they learned English as a child!!!
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kait



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told a man that I had recently moved back to the US from Taiwan. He responded, "That's funny. You don't look Korean." Rolling Eyes
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Deano1979



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry about ressurecting an old thread, but I found it to be way to interesting to let it rest Very Happy

Do the Americans who return home perhaps see where the majority of us come from when we say that Americans are perhaps a little ignorant? World perception of Americans as ignorant is harldy rare.

One of the most technologically developed nations in the world, good economy, high standard of living, good education, good work ethic. Still, Americans have a reuptation for being ignorant.

I wonder if perhaps Americans returing home after being abroad for a while dont maybe begin to understand how the reputation for ignorance has been developed.

Im not attacking the yanks. I just think that their major priority in life is career and work, with little time for interests outside career.
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BTSskytrain



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 2:31 pm    Post subject: two kinds of people Reply with quote

there are only two types of people in this world. those who get it and those who dont'. when hit with the question, "so why do you like living overseas?", i always want to answer, "if you have to ask you won't understand." but i don't as that would be rude and god forbid i hurt anyone's feelings in our mushy, politically correct society.

so, i usually give a really blunt but honest answer like,"well, because thoughts of being tied down to a wife (when i'd rather be sleeping with everyone else's wife), having to be financially responsible for 2.5 kids and a dog, a mortgage, car payment, credit card debt out the wazoo,and all of the other crap that goes along with the american status quo is DOWNRIGHT BORING!!! that not only gets 'em quiet real fast but also gets them thinkin' too.
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jr1965



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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thoughts of being tied down to a wife (when i'd rather be sleeping with everyone else's wife), having to be financially responsible for 2.5 kids and a dog, a mortgage, car payment, credit card debt out the wazoo,and all of the other crap that goes along with the american status quo is DOWNRIGHT BORING!!!


These are reasons that you don't like living in the US, but you haven't really answered the question people have asked you: Why do you like living overseas? Maybe people aren't being "ignorant." Perhaps they genuinely want to know what you like about living in another place. Very Happy
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mcsam



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that I don't think that Americans are ignorant (no I'm not American) I think that they are insular. They have no need to be outward looking they have everything they (think) they need at home, whereas Europeans depend (and have greater ease of travel) on each other much more for economic reasons so what happens in the rest of Europe and the rest of the world impacts on us more. I also think the European media reports more widely from the rest of the world than the American media and most people get their information from sources like the tv and if that is the case you can only know what you are told

Anyway to more light hearted things.

The most stupid question I have ever been asked is "So tell me what's weird about (insert name of country)?" Eh, What? What is weird or a little strange when you first arrive somewhere soon becomes the norm. How do you answer such a general question.

I have to agree that the "Your Lucky" comment gets on my nerves. I usually reply "Well you can do it too if you get off your bum".

I also get annoyed by people who say they REALLY want to live and work abroad but they can't because of mortgage/job/money/etc....... Nothing is insurmountable if you REALLY want it. Exclamation
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tedkarma



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 04, 2007 8:06 pm    Post subject: Re: two kinds of people Reply with quote

BTSskytrain wrote:
there are only two types of people in this world. those who get it and those who dont'. when hit with the question, "so why do you like living overseas?", i always want to answer, "if you have to ask you won't understand." but i don't as that would be rude and god forbid i hurt anyone's feelings in our mushy, politically correct society.


And perhaps - those who are curious and might like to try it? It is fun to meet and nurture along those people - maybe they are in the ""get it" camp.

I always think that living in a distinctly different culture than my own is kind of an altered state - a bit like being stoned maybe - where things stimulate you and keep you awake and alive. I would be so bored and stuck in routine back "home" (my real home is where I live - no matter where that is).

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I also get annoyed by people who say they REALLY want to live and work abroad but they can't because of mortgage/job/money/etc....... Nothing is insurmountable if you REALLY want it.


I guess - but some people honor their commitments and have made promises to family, employers, etc. I always WANTED to move overseas - but due to family, job, financial commitments, etc - didn't do it until I was 39. So . . . at 56 now, I've experienced both sides of the equation. I DID make the move, but perhaps if you had met me at 29, instead of at 39 - you would have thought I was hopeless (and maybe I was!).

Sometimes it is just a lack of good information that hinders the change. But - that is a lot less problematic in these Internet days - than it was in 1989 when things were just getting going.
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