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SmallBigWorld



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:28 pm    Post subject: Should we be sneaky? Reply with quote

When we're flying into GDL airport, hoping for our 180 day tourist visa, do we tell immigration that we're going to be looking for work in Mexico? Or do we just pretend we're on holiday?
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DO NOT tell them you are going to be looking for work! Tell them you're there for a vacation or something...IF they ask. I lived in DF many moons ago and I'm heading back in February or March and I know you have to go in under the radar. Get your tourist visa, then start looking for a job.

The people on this post who already live and work in Mexico will be able to give you all the detailed information you will need.

Good luck!
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't volunteer anything.
Answer questions as honestly as possible without giving a crumb more information than required.
If they do give you 180 days, say thank you and be on your way.
If they don't give 180 days automatically, ask for it, I'd say well I heard that I can have 180 now. If they ask why you want that long say you'd like to stay in Mexico as long as possible. If they ask what you want to do, say get to know Mexico. No reason to lie.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Slightly off topic, but related.

Question for the Gringos.

Why, in our recent visit, at Orlando and Miami Airports, did I get shifted to the "Gestapo" line for extra security check, apparently according to comments my wife overheard, for being British! She is Mexican, and passed through the normal line. Surely it should be the other way around. What happened to the "special relationship". Mad
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who knows Pkil_K. Possibly because of what happened last summer with the terror cell that was planning to blow up 12 airliners over U.S. cities. The flights originated all from Britain I believe. They stopped them right before they were to execute the plan.

Or intel may have some kind of new chatter about some Brits who may be linked to Al Qaeda.

One never knows.

I think we'll be hearing a lot more about terrorists in the coming new year since it's an election year in the States and the republicans will play the fear card again to try to win the White House.

Remember when Al Gore got picked for a "random" search at an airport a couple of years ago? Did you fly in from Mexico? Perhaps that may be the reason. We'll never know. It does seem like everyone here in the States are VERY concerned about someone coming in from Mexico even though the 19 high jackers who pulled off 911 all came in legally.....through Canada.

All of the politicians are picking on Mexico here lately.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Did you fly in from Mexico?


That's the strange thing! We flew into Dallas from Mexico, and DIDN'T get selected. Then from Dallas>Orlando - Orlando>Miami - Miami> Mexico.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Weird. I guess we'll never know.
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gregd75



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: advice Reply with quote

I recommend that you dont say anything when you arrive in GDL. Of course, apart from Hello, good afternoon!

They will automatically give you the tourist visa, without questions.

There is a post on here from Guy in Mexico city saying the rules have changed and that immigration now automatically give you 180 days for your tourist visa. If not, I would just accept what they give you... 90 days would be enough for you to get here, look for work and change your immigration status, should you wish.

It is easy to go to the federal Palace in downtown and exend your tourist visa. They ask for proof of a credit card, to show that you can support yourself here, and thats about it!

Finally, when you leave the country, you can do one of two things if your tourist card expires... tell the person at check in that youve lost it, or present the expired tourist card and they wont notice anyway- I know it sounds bad, but the reality is that you're just about leaving the country at this point, so theyre not going to give you hassle.

I hope this helps. basically, come, dont say anytihng and you-ll be fine
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Re: advice Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
Finally, when you leave the country, you can do one of two things if your tourist card expires... tell the person at check in that youve lost it, or present the expired tourist card and they wont notice anyway-


You will have to pay a fine if you present an expired tourist card when leaving the country.
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Greg wrote:

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I recommend that you dont say anything when you arrive in GDL. Of course, apart from Hello, good afternoon! They will automatically give you the tourist visa, without questions.


Greg, the tourist card (FMT) is handed out and is to be filled in on the airplane, but the box where the number of days granted remains blank in an area marked "for official use only". It really is best to mention immediately that you require the maximum be approved so that he will write 180 days in this box rather than 30, 60, or 90.



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There is a post on here from Guy in Mexico city saying the rules have changed and that immigration now automatically give you 180 days for your tourist visa.

The "rules" have NOT changed as far as automatically receiving 180 days maximum without asking. You will still need to ask for 180 days in most airports in Mexico if you want to receive it. And you may or may not get it, as pointed out. This is the way it's been for years. Each Immigration delegation does it's own thing, and I doubt we will see that across-the-board change for some time to come. (It appears to be on Calderon's wish list for the tourist industry since he mentioned it in Acapulco last March).

There has been some good advice given here in the various threads on this seemingly popular topic. You have come to Mexico to learn Spanish, learn about the culture, and travel the country. If you mention to the officer that you have come to teach English (or anything else that will require an FM3), that's when things tend to get interesting.

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Finally, when you leave the country, you can do one of two things if your tourist card expires... tell the person at check in that youve lost it, or present the expired tourist card and they wont notice anyway- I know it sounds bad, but the reality is that you're just about leaving the country at this point, so theyre not going to give you hassle.


I also can tell you (from experience) what happens when you show up empty-handed, having lost a tourist card. The airline employee promptly sends you off to Immigration (which could be a distance away in the airport) to face the music because the airline employee is responsible to collect the tourist card before you get your boarding pass. You then will be responsible to pay the price of a new tourist card and in the process, receive a good talking to and perhaps a per diem fine if they figure out that you have been in the country longer than 6 months. If they are busy in the Immigration department or it's a long way from the check-in counter (where you will return to obtain your boarding pass) you run the risk of missing your flight. All in all, not a great plan.

Nothing is ever standard in Mexico especially in the Government, so don't be so sure that the airline employees don't get put on alert by Immigration to check expiry dates from time to time. I wouldn't take it as a given, that "they won't notice".
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gregd75



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When talking about the changes in the tourist visa, i was referring to a previous post in this forum by Guy - he's the one that pointed out the system has changed.

I have known a number of friends that have stayed beyond their time. None of them have had problems with immigration. Some have had to pay a fine, some have not had to do anything, and some have had to go to the immigration office (which at Guadalajara airport is actually IN the airport, between the check-in counters and the International arrivals area.

My point is, in response to this thread, that there's no reason not to come here with, get a tourist visa, then get a job, and then apply to change your status within the country.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

gregd75 wrote:
I have known a number of friends that have stayed beyond their time. None of them have had problems with immigration. Some have had to pay a fine, some have not had to do anything, and some have had to go to the immigration office (which at Guadalajara airport is actually IN the airport, between the check-in counters and the International arrivals area.


I count having to pay a fine and/or having to visit the immigration office (whether at the airport or elsewhere) as having "problems with immigration".
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gregd75



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39, I guess you could be right.

I am just trying to give an honest answer to the question posed in this discussion thread, and I guess the person asking the question is able to make their own decision.

Im just trying to be helpful.

Thats all.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As am I. Maybe I am bothered more by being "caught" by the authorities than you are when I've not followed the rules to the letter!
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gregd75



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand.

I just think there is some flexibility around these rules, and they are not as black and white as many rules are here in Mexico.

So, looking at all the information, I would say to the person posting this discussion.... Yes, be cheeky and sneaky and I think you'll be ok
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