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What's putting me off Taiwan...

 
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renzobenzo1



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:00 am    Post subject: What's putting me off Taiwan... Reply with quote

By the sound of it is the teaching side of things....It sounds from what I've read that you are treated like a piece of meat....I am all for good classroom management, efficient/effective teaching methods, having fun and all that but I don't like the idea of co-teachers wathching your every move and reporting back to base....having to brown-nose parents and having to keep the kids satisfied....

Now is it all like this? Is English seen as a novelty there...or is is there actually nitty gritty teaching where the kid needs to shut up and actually learn....

I am in South Korea now and it is somewhere in between what I have mentioned above but once your energy is sapped it is very difficult to put on that happy fun face and keep people happy if that is what is expected of you.
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Mr. White



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PostPosted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:31 am    Post subject: Re: What's putting me off Taiwan... Reply with quote

renzobenzo1 wrote:
By the sound of it is the teaching side of things....It sounds from what I've read that you are treated like a piece of meat....

All depends what school you work for. Same as any country.

renzobenzo1 wrote:
I am all for good classroom management, efficient/effective teaching methods, having fun and all that

Very Happy

renzobenzo1 wrote:
but I don't like the idea of co-teachers wathching your every move and reporting back to base

If you are doing a good job there is nothing to worry about. If you are doing a bad job you shouldn't be with the kids anyway.

renzobenzo1 wrote:
....having to brown-nose parents

You don't have to brown nose, not if you earn their respect.

renzobenzo1 wrote:
and having to keep the kids satisfied....

That's the fun part of the job.

renzobenzo1 wrote:
Now is it all like this? Is English seen as a novelty there...

Weird teachers are the biggest novelty.

renzobenzo1 wrote:
or is is there actually nitty gritty teaching where the kid needs to shut up and actually learn....

Shocked

renzobenzo1 wrote:
I am in South Korea now and it is somewhere in between what I have mentioned above but once your energy is sapped it is very difficult to put on that happy fun face and keep people happy if that is what is expected of you.

You sure you're in the right profession?
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buddy bradley



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As mentioned previously, it depends on the job, although, after teaching in Korea for three years and Taiwan for just over two, I found Korean kids and adults to be easier to teach than their Taiwanese counterparts.

That being said, conditions outside the classroom were way better in Taiwan than in Korea.
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Miyazaki



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buddy bradley wrote:
As mentioned previously, it depends on the job, although, after teaching in Korea for three years and Taiwan for just over two, I found Korean kids and adults to be easier to teach than their Taiwanese counterparts.

That being said, conditions outside the classroom were way better in Taiwan than in Korea.


Interesting.

I've been hearing over the last few years that, while the pay is higher and the students more motivated and eager to learn English, the living conditions aren't all that great for TEFL'ers in Korea compared with Taiwan.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Koreans are nice on the outside for the most part not counting shady hogwon owners but Korea is somewhat a closed society and dating can be difficult outside of Seoul.
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StayingPower



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's pretty much "all like this," no matter who or what may seem to smoothen things over.

Taiwan's not at all like Korea 'as far as business goes.' There is, in the terms of business men, "no business trust here." You're not really given the same credibility as a worker here as you are in Korea. At least in Korea, the contract is something substantial and you have autonomy in this regard. Here you have a half-dozen loopholes with which the employer can gain the upper hand and turn you into Yes, "a piece of meat."

The kids are much better though. Supposedly this is because of the CT's presence. Yet this is a bane to the industry here, and teaching, if you wish things to be efficient. It makes for more mistrust, sometimes dishonesty, disrespect, and disgrace.

If you wish to be recognized as a capable teacher, stay in Korea. As far as they being clannish, they are ten times more big-hearted than the Taiwanese and at least you'll have social support financially.

Little is it known we come from thousands of miles away and are easily discarded as if we're of no value because profit over-rides principal.
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Miyazaki



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

StayingPower wrote:
It's pretty much "all like this," no matter who or what may seem to smoothen things over.

Taiwan's not at all like Korea 'as far as business goes.' There is, in the terms of business men, "no business trust here." You're not really given the same credibility as a worker here as you are in Korea. At least in Korea, the contract is something substantial and you have autonomy in this regard. Here you have a half-dozen loopholes with which the employer can gain the upper hand and turn you into Yes, "a piece of meat."

The kids are much better though. Supposedly this is because of the CT's presence. Yet this is a bane to the industry here, and teaching, if you wish things to be efficient. It makes for more mistrust, sometimes dishonesty, disrespect, and disgrace.

If you wish to be recognized as a capable teacher, stay in Korea. As far as they being clannish, they are ten times more big-hearted than the Taiwanese and at least you'll have social support financially.

Little is it known we come from thousands of miles away and are easily discarded as if we're of no value because profit over-rides principal.


Interesting comments.

So, you're saying that the Koreans treat you better overall with regard to honouring contracts and treating teachers with credibility as "workers" (sic)?

I'm not so sure I can accept that.

Korean salaries can be as much as nearly double what TEFL'ers are making in Taiwan but to suggest that the Korean's are more honest - I'm not convinced of that.
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