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thebigqtip



Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:21 am    Post subject: On salaries and such things Reply with quote

Greetings.

I've done my time in Korea and I'm currently teaching English in Poland. It's lovely here, but I can barely afford to splurge for my nightly 9.2% ABV Zywiec porter. With graduate school looming, next year I'd like to teach someplace somewhat profitable (Asia), but I'd prefer not to have a Korean reprise, for fear of what it would do to my psychology.
So, what are the prospects salary-wise for someone with a university degree in English, a CELTA certificate, and two years of teaching experience? I realize China is a big place and salaries are bound to vary quite a bit, but would it be possible for me to make more as a grizzled veteran in China than I did as a greenhorn in Korea?

Thanks! Thor bless,
- Keith
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Anda



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Location: Jiangsu Province

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:29 am    Post subject: Um Reply with quote

To put it simply "NO" not without putting in a year or two here and making contacts first. A good Uni here will pay about a third or less of a good Uni in South Korea.

The big money here that can be as good as Korea is corporate teaching but as I said you need to feel your way into that over a year or two on the ground here. Also you need a feel for business talk!

EPIK in Korea working for public schools pays about 22,000 RMB a month plus all the holidays paid and accommodation etc. Here in Shanghai you get about 15,000 RMB at public schools and have to find and pay for your own accommodation and only get paid for 10 months of the year. Smaller cities you get about 4,500 RMB a month plus accommodation etc for public schools.
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Voldermort



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 2:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply put, for your first stint in China you will start at the bottom. As Anda said, you have no contacts or Chinese experience. Right now you meet the requirements for a FT with 2 years experience and a degree, a CELTA will give you that little edge but not much.

Salary wise, it really depends where you go. Google the advertisments and they will give you an idea of what to expect.
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Brian Caulfield



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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Location: China

PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why not Japan or Taiwan? Much easier than Korea on the psych. In Taiwan it is easier to freelance but getting in is more difficult. In Taiwan you always get paid. Hongkong pays well also. If you need the cash go to The mid east.
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Moon Over Parma



Joined: 20 May 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Brian Caulfield wrote:
Why not Japan or Taiwan? Much easier than Korea on the psych. In Taiwan it is easier to freelance but getting in is more difficult. In Taiwan you always get paid. Hongkong pays well also. If you need the cash go to The mid east.


For the most part I agree. Taiwan is not without its crooks though. Unlike China, there is a possibility of redress and more often than not if you're legal and keep your nose clean the foreign affairs police will help you. With that said, I rubbed elbows with some expats who got shafted at their jobs. Statistically it's a small phenomena, but it is not that uncommon to know of one or two expats who got the shaft in any given year working in Taiwan. The only things to be concerned about off the plane when landing in Taiwan would be: having enough start up dosh in the bank, that your nation isn't on wonky terms with the ROC (I knew of several South Africans whose degrees were valid one year and then went unrecognized the next, despite having valid, legal degrees recognized in most other countries), and that you make a visa run to anywhere but Hong Kong. those ladies at the Chunghwa "Travel Agency" in Hong Kong are hellcats; mean and vicious to the nth degree. Taiwan would be the place to go for better pay. China is not the "get rich" ESL destination, generally speaking.
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Brian Caulfield



Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found that in Taiwan I would always be working about five jobs at different school and companies. When one shafted me or wanted to discontinue the classes, I wasn't out too much. And unlike Korea or Japan ,no one cared the least . I was a small potatoes English teacher.
Also in Taiwan you can arrange your own lodging giving you more freedom. In China and Korea if you lose your job you lose your home.
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