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davesesl99 · Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 20

ClarkMorgan of Beijing and EF English (Guomao school) have violated some straightforward workplace / labor laws. Legal advice on it is clear.

propertee · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 88

Huh? Want to be A LOT more specific? Otherwise you're just being on the edge of libelous; which is something you preached against in another post.

Libel - Written form
Slander - Oral form

Teatime of Soul · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905

I think what is meant by the above is Libel.

Simply slinging out accusations against a business without a shred of background or supporting information doesn't help make a case, (at least against the business).

Please provide some facts.

Thanks.

Mister Al · Joined: 28 Jun 2004 Posts: 840 Location: In there

It's only libel if it isn't true, but I agree- give us some specifics no. 99

OGFT · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 432

Is that the EF where the teacher and class are encased in glass presented as a mall showcase...fishbowl showcase

that alone should be an infraction of the labor laws

vikuk · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842

AussieGuyInChina · Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 403

Protect your career in Beijing regurgitated!

davesesl99 · Joined: 05 May 2007 Posts: 20

Yes this is the EF School which has a central classroom entirely made of glass which was referred to as the fishbowl. This wasn`t the official name of the classroom. The classroom names were changed when the owner of EF International toured the school and commented on country names being used for the classrooms. After that the classroom names were changed to value statements; integrity, intelligence, etc...

As for the curious members of this string, there is a long list of workplace labor laws which apply here. Just to name a few, hiring practices, contractual issues, firing practices, discrimination, conduct, the popular libel and slander (defamation), and the list goes on...

Rest assured that legal advice has advised that more than one of these have been violated. You should take insights from this topic regarding places to work and workplace conditions. The matters regarding these companies involves specific people and by extension implicates the company itself. Despite the image the company tries to portray, the circus of attitudes, behaviors and decisions of employees tramples all over labor regs and the company gets dragged down for it.

Do you want to know who the people are?

propertee · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 88

You given absolutely no details to support your accusation.

Renaming of a classroom? Is that one of your claims?

You've only listed alleged legal violations without providing any supporting details.

Not only would people like to know who they are, but offering some details of proof (in your view) would be great too. Otherwise, there is no reason to believe you're not a disgruntled employee committing libelous acts.

Please provide proper details.

OGFT · Joined: 24 Jun 2006 Posts: 432

I an a friend were walking through the other night ...my friend was with his Chinese wife and we stopped a while and watched a fella with glasses I think and kind of lite color of hair ..he never once looked up.. and I swear that when I came over to the glass window..we couldn't have been more than 2 feet away from the students..
Still the teacher never looked up..although I am sure he knew we were staring.

Now back to your post.
Who is this fella you mentioned and what did he do...

Teatime of Soul · Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905

Isn't that distracting for the students?

Isn't propper classroom design to have the front of the classroom the focus area?

How about a pix of the empty classroom? Its a public display isn't it?

I lay claim to the idea of individual MRI machines to each kid's head showing medical proof of learning.

matador · Joined: 07 Mar 2003 Posts: 281

May I ask why are you not totally happy with Clark Morgan?

....and lets see a pic of the fishbowl at EF! Great way to attract the attention of the locals...but very uncomfortable for both teacher and student I guess.

propertee · Joined: 07 Jan 2008 Posts: 88

I'm guessing there are no real issues with the job in the original post; otherwise the user would support his claims, which he hasn't.

HunanForeignGuy · Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 989 Location: Shanghai, PRC

The OP has made an opinion, which of itself, may or may not be in grounded in fact and in law. The right to render an opinion is a basic exercise of one's ability to think. In terms of rapidly labelling and qualifying the OP's opinion as an act of libel, I would refer all of the previous posters to the Oliver Wendell Holme''s long-standing definition of what libel is and of what libel is not. Some of the previous comments regarding slander were absolutely knee-jerk and ninny-like and bereft of any standing in the canons of the law.

Next, in terms of the People's Republic, I would invite the OP to set forth how he would attempt to seek legal remedy for the abuses in labor law that he claims to have occurred. If the OP is familiar at all with the legal procedures involved with the People's Court system, he would perhaps be aware of the many pitfalls that await him in the pursuit of this particular non-monetary claim.

Additionally, it is highly unlikely that he would be able to successful the good offices of the local Foreign Experts' Bureau in this particular event given the basis for such a claim.

In any case, the pursuit of this claim legally would be extremely costly for him and I am not sure what result it might engender.

cj750s · Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:44 am Post subject:

Maybe Clark Morgan found him.