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dsherter



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Placement Services for Mexico? Reply with quote

Worth the fee?

When are they most useful?

Least useful?

Do they do what they promise? (i.e. Reputable?)



Thanks,

D. Sherter
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know some people "pooh pooh" placement services. I think they have their place; they can make things a lot easier for those coming to Mexico for the first time and who can't speak a lick of Spanish.
Still, I'd recommend looking around on your own. If you have a degree and some experience elsewhere, it isn't very hard to find teaching work in Mexico.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of qualifications do you have? What sort of teaching job are you looking for? What additional help beyond locating a job do you need?

I think placement services are good if you really need a lot of help, but if you're comfortable with simply arriving in Mexico to scout, or arranging your job before coming down via email/telephone, then you don't need to pay someone to do it for you. Late summer is the best time to simply arrive if you're looking at elementary or secondary school work, in time for the fall semester. Those are often the best types of jobs.

I'm biased in that I work for one such agency, so I'll not comment further on if they do what they promise. What do they promise by the way?
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dsherter



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qualifications

1) Masters in unrelated field (Public Health)
teaching experience in that field, but not in academic setting - health related lectures - I consider the exerience very relevant and make a plausible case in my cover letter
2) recent experience: student teaching in ESL classroom
3)decent Spanish
45 y.o. (can pass for jaded 3Cool - a mixed blessing I understand but not insurmountable - already had one offer I regrettably had to pass up.

I'm concerned about the prospect of having to go set up house on spec. - i.e. settling down then seeking interviews - seems a little risky and costly - am I wrong? Pursuant to this thought - roughly how much $ should one travel with given its without a job?

Also, would prefer teaching adults - may I ask why primary school ed might be preferable? and preferably in a coastal (not beachy) area. One advantage of placement services is the possibility, perhaps, of fine-tuning a wish list and getting what I want rather than whoever says "si" first - thoughts?

re: promises - Guy (and by the way you kindly answered a previous question I had about Jacob Peeble's product months ago - my search was regrettably interrupted and I'm back to looking) I include the link to your competitor's site for ease of compare and contrast.

http://www.teach-english-mexico.com/guaranteed.htm

Again, thanks.
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dsherter



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: that would be "thirty eight" Reply with quote

after a good-night's sleep and thinking good thoughts - not sure where that smiley came from, but "thirty", even with a cup of ephedra, might be a stretch.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Housing is always the hardest part, whether you're looking on your own or if an employer offers/recommends something. My advice to people, no matter if they have a job set up or if they're scouting, is to allow for a period in an inexpensive hotel. Give yourself some time to get to know the lay of the land, network, and possibly locate something you wouldn't have been able to find online in English.

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re: promises - Guy (and by the way you kindly answered a previous question I had about Jacob Peeble's product months ago - my search was regrettably interrupted and I'm back to looking) I include the link to your competitor's site for ease of compare and contrast.

http://www.teach-english-mexico.com/guaranteed.htm


Jake Peebles runs that? I know him via another website called eslemployment.com Had no idea he was related to InternetWorks. If Jake runs the show then I'd put some faith in his hard work based on other exchanges I've had with him.

EDIT: I think I just dug the tidbit out of the back of my mind. Jake Peebles has a book you were asking about. He's not connected to InternetWorks, sorry.

On your experience, you should be contacting schools directly. Timing is your biggest issue I think.

Apologies for any typos...a ferret has been scurrying across my keyboard as I try to write this.
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dsherter



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hotel - good tip.

Again - and don't feel obliged to answer immediately, I realize it's a school day tomorrow -

How much time would you allow to find work if I travel on spec - i.e. jobless? How much cash would that translate to - ish - 2K? 3K?

Why do you suggest primary ed. is preferable to teaching adults (in the TEFL context, in Mexico?)

What - given that you're an honest broker, which I have every reason to believe - would be your case for or against using a placement agency, given aid with placement, housing, etc. given my particulars?

Again - decision not around corner, please answer when convenient. I'm afraid, btw, that it was I who was unclear about the Jacob Peebles connection - and that's entirely ferretless.

Y come se dice "ferret"? Que cute.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're very kind, thank you. I'm going to ask others here to answer those questions before I put more of my 2 cents in so you get a well-rounded opinion.

Ferret is huron in Spanish. I only recently discovered that, but right away it made me think of Lake Huron - forever forward Lake Ferret to me now.
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NinaNina



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: Setting up house Reply with quote

My family of four hit town (Oaxaca) in August. It was relatively easy to spend the first week chilling, the second week scouting schools and places to live, the third week negotiating with various interested parties, and the fourth week making the move and starting work. So everything's possible, and much easier than it probably seems from the perspective of someone who is not in the country yet. For demographic purposes, I'm 40 and we did everything with a baby and a first-grader in tow.

I should underscore the fact that I had all my papers in order and apostilled. I had exchanged emails with some schools in the months prior to the move and had attached my resume.

On the housing front, we stayed in a little guest apartment that had special monthly rates for the first month. When we finally found our house, we rented one that came fully furnished (down to the linens and kitchenware) so that the "setting up" process and investment was minimal.

You mentioned 2-3K and that should be more than enough, in my opinion. That's what my whole family gets by on each month.

Good luck! The experience is most definitely worth all the planning.

--Serena
http://mexpop.blogspot.com/
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:
You're very kind, thank you. I'm going to ask others here to answer those questions before I put more of my 2 cents in so you get a well-rounded opinion.

Ferret is huron in Spanish. I only recently discovered that, but right away it made me think of Lake Huron - forever forward Lake Ferret to me now.


The only two cents I have to offer right now is a spelling correction: that's

"hur�n" - the accent makes a difference in the pronunciation.


Marsha, the Spelling Maven
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm lazy with my Spanish accent marks. Floj�n?

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How much time would you allow to find work if I travel on spec - i.e. jobless? How much cash would that translate to - ish - 2K? 3K?


Depends on where and when. During a holiday period, it would be harder to land a job. Off-season (or rather on-season for work), I'd say between 2 and 4 weeks - less time in bigger cities. 2 - 3 k would hold you down just fine, as long as you're not blowing a big wad on top hotels while you wait. You'll want to have a cushion to pay first and last rent, and possibly a security deposit when you do get a job and start to look for housing. It can sometimes be up to 4 weeks before you get your first paycheck, as well as a work permit.

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Why do you suggest primary ed. is preferable to teaching adults (in the TEFL context, in Mexico?)


Mostly because of your Master's degree, despite being unrelated. Elementary or secondary school positions offer a greater stability and benefits, and usually better pay (though not always).

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What - given that you're an honest broker, which I have every reason to believe - would be your case for or against using a placement agency, given aid with placement, housing, etc. given my particulars?


The easiest answer - you know to come here to get info. I think placement services are for people who really need the assistance...people that have never traveled at all before, for example, or have additional factors to consider, such as bringing a family or special needs. I think you're better off just asking people here for the info you need to come down on your own.
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GC wrote:
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I think placement services are for people who really need the assistance...people that have never traveled at all before


I don't agree. There are some teachers out there who may have travelled plenty, maybe just not in Mexico, and have limited time and are looking for a decent teaching gig on their resume (what better than a foreign one?). There are some who don't want to spend a month of their time messing around, asking questions, conquering the great language and cultural barriers on their own. They want to get in and out, buy the t-shirt and get home with a job reference and experience between semesters or whatever.

I guess it all boils down to a personal preference, time, and money to ride it out, because what's right for some seems not right for others. No offense, but life in other parts of the country is quite different than in Mexico City. For example, when the phone rings here, we say "bueno", the relatives in Mexico City say "diga" when they pick up. Cool Seriously, though, not all Immigration offices will issue a work permit to a non-related degree and this shouldn't be breezed over casually as it could be a real problem for someone down the road. Anyway, good luck to the OP, whichever path you choose.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guy Courchesne wrote:

I think placement services are good if you really need a lot of help, but if you're comfortable with simply arriving in Mexico to scout, or arranging your job before coming down via email/telephone, then you don't need to pay someone to do it for you.


I second that.

IF you feel you need, or heck want help for whatever reason, then pay for that help. But I hope no one feels that a placement service is really necessary for Mexico or that you can't do it without one.

Also keep in mind that old saying, You get what you pay for. If you pay 20 dollars, don't expect the service to do more than send out your resume to their list of schools.
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dixie



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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For example, when the phone rings here, we say "bueno", the relatives in Mexico City say "diga" when they pick up.


We say "bueno"... Smile

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Seriously, though, not all Immigration offices will issue a work permit to a non-related degree and this shouldn't be breezed over casually as it could be a real problem for someone down the road. Anyway, good luck to the OP, whichever path you choose.


True, but the service that was linked does not even promise that they will place an individual with a school who will cover/assist in obtaining a work permit(it keeps mentioning it in terms of time, but it sounds....not right....to me regardless). I think that is something that should be considered by the OP as well.
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
For example, when the phone rings here, we say "bueno", the relatives in Mexico City say "diga" when they pick up.


We say "bueno," too. I've never heard anyone answer the phone with diga except in movies from other Spanish-speaking countries. Are the relatives perhaps from another country or have lived abroad?
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