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avahanian



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 1:02 am    Post subject: guest houses in Tokyo? Reply with quote

Hi all,

I'm interested in checking out the job market in Tokyo area, and am thinking about spending a month there.

Would you recommend staying in a guest house (rather than a hotel or renting a flat?)? I've found a company in Tokyo called Sakura House, are they any good?

Also, how much can one expect to pay for a guest house in Tokyo, not too far from the centre?

What I'm trying to find out is, if I do stay in a guest house near or in the centre and cook my own meals, how much would it cost me to live in Tokyo for a month?

many thanks
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 2:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest houses will run you 50,000 to 80,000 yen/month on average.
http://classifieds.japantoday.com/biz.asp?action=home&pid=80
http://www.tokyorental.com/
http://jafplaza.com/

Living costs would also include food (30,000 yen/month), and perhaps a cell phone (10,000 yen to install/start, plus 5000-8000 yen/month for basic service), and local transportation (10,000-15,000 yen/month pass).
Total so far would be 50,000-80,000
+
30,000
+
10,000 + 5000-8000
+
10,000-15,000
=
105,000 - 143,000 yen for the first month (plus any deposit, usually 25,000 yen for housing)
After that, per month would be 10,000 less because of phone setup.

Additional costs, of course, are up to you, but they would include dry cleaning, insurance, medical needs, snacks, sightseeing, entertainment, photocopying, etc.

Go here for some details on prices in Tokyo.
www.pricechecktokyo.com
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avahanian



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 4:46 am    Post subject: guest houses in Tokyo? Reply with quote

HI Glenski,

Thanks for the very helpful figures. I've just realised now, that renting/sharing a flat in Tokyo for a month is not much more expensive than other major cities in the world....try sharing a flat in Milan Italy for example, you'll pay at least 400-500 Euro per month if not more.
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unchi pants



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've just realised now, that renting/sharing a flat in Tokyo for a month is not much more expensive than other major cities in the world.


Sharing ... maybe. Although in Tokyo you'll get A LOT less space for your money than you would probably get in Milan.

As for renting your own flat in central Tokyo, you will need AT LEAST 6 months rent up front, plus a guarrantor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:05 am    Post subject: flats in tokyo Reply with quote

unchi pants wrote:
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I've just realised now, that renting/sharing a flat in Tokyo for a month is not much more expensive than other major cities in the world.


Sharing ... maybe. Although in Tokyo you'll get A LOT less space for your money than you would probably get in Milan.

As for renting your own flat in central Tokyo, you will need AT LEAST 6 months rent up front, plus a guarrantor.


Hi,

I still can't understand the ridiculous "key money" one has to pay...you don't even get it returned to you. Excuse me but that is just absurd...madness!

But, I'd love to be a landlord in Tokyo!
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2004 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still can't understand the ridiculous "key money" one has to pay...you don't even get it returned to you. Excuse me but that is just absurd...madness!

Welcome to Japan, where often things don't make sense. This is why most schools help set you up in an apt and why there aren't tons of backpacker teachers everywhere. It is expensive to get started here. Then there is NTT and your phone, shaken for your car, driver's license tests, multiple entry visas and permits...... The list is long.
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avahanian



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 7:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gordon wrote:
Welcome to Japan, where often things don't make sense. This is why most schools help set you up in an apt and why there aren't tons of backpacker teachers everywhere. It is expensive to get started here. Then there is NTT and your phone, shaken for your car, driver's license tests, multiple entry visas and permits...... The list is long.


Well you should be very happy there aren't many backpacker teachers, they are at least part of the reason why teaching English is not considered by many to be a viable "career" and not taken seriously, at least in Europe....

But after having read this message board, as well as the Young Dude's Guide to Japan I'm wondering why I ever wasted time teaching in Spain Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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after having read this message board, as well as the Young Dude's Guide to Japan I'm wondering why I ever wasted time teaching in Spain


wanna clarify that?
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avahanian, you're right I am happy that there aren't a lot of backpacker teachers here driving down the wages. The high set up costs do have their advantages.
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fion



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The key money and guarantor things are indeed a nonsense, which is why I'm still living in a gaijin house (in my third year in Japan!). I paid twenty thousand yen in deposit, which I expect to get back or know the reasons why. My rent including utilities is 64,500/month, not the cheapest possible but I don't mind paying it for a quiet place, as I had unbelievable problems with noise pollution from the street in my first (company) apartment here.
Transport is quite expensive, but you should look to get a lot of it refunded by employers. Even travel-to-interview expenses, well it's worth a try.
The major expense for most English teachers in Tokyo is beer money. It's your choice: if you don't drink, you can save. Is it worth it? You decide.
I'm not sure if I understood your original post correctly, but if you're thinking of coming to work in Japan for one month only, I have doubts about that. It takes at least a month to get your bearings, including filtering out the dodgy employers and finding the good companies to work for.
Good luck anyway!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:17 pm    Post subject: teaching in Japan Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
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after having read this message board, as well as the Young Dude's Guide to Japan I'm wondering why I ever wasted time teaching in Spain


wanna clarify that?


Hi,

What I meant was, that most people I've seen would rather teach in Spain than in Japan (I too used to feel this way). And certainly, Spain is a wonderful country, but I hate to admit that there are many backpacker teachers in Spain, almost none of whom care about teaching, but rather, go there just to party and to try their luck with the ladies. Please understand, I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, but that's what they are looking for.

But what these backpackers don't realise at first is that a.) the money isn't plentiful and doesn't come so easily, you have to actually work for it, b.) the women aren't so easy (this is a good thing), and c.) Spain is no longer a cheap country to live in.

And hence you have all the disgruntled former backpacker teachers posting messages in the Job Information Journal.

Spain is a wonderful place, but it seems to me in Japan you can earn much more money, there's more job stability, and if you want to party, there's plenty of that too.

In my opinion the Young Dude's Guide to Japan is a must-read for anyone wanting to go to Japan as it gives you someone's honest view of the country, not some exaggerated and glamourous description.

After reading that (and hearing what others have to say as well) you might come to the conclusion that if you want to party, teach, and earn money, Japan is a good place to do all that.

What would you people say?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 4:20 pm    Post subject: expenses in Tokyo Reply with quote

fion wrote:
The major expense for most English teachers in Tokyo is beer money. It's your choice: if you don't drink, you can save. Is it worth it? You decide.
I'm not sure if I understood your original post correctly, but if you're thinking of coming to work in Japan for one month only, I have doubts about that. It takes at least a month to get your bearings, including filtering out the dodgy employers and finding the good companies to work for.
Good luck anyway!


Hi Fion,

No I do not want to work in Japan for one month, but I do want to go over there, visit the country, and have a look at the companies there. Is one month enough time to check out companies?

Regarding beer money, if you really want to save money you should do as they do in Sweden and drink at home, and then go to the clubs Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In my opinion the Young Dude's Guide to Japan is a must-read for anyone wanting to go to Japan as it gives you someone's honest view of the country, not some exaggerated and glamourous description.

After reading that (and hearing what others have to say as well) you might come to the conclusion that if you want to party, teach, and earn money, Japan is a good place to do all that.

What would you people say?


Never heard of the book, but I probably wouldn't want to read it either. I'm not in the party scene, too old and have a family to support. If you want to party, live in Tokyo and Osaka. A night on the town in Japan will be expensive, you will need to watch your yen.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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if you want to party, teach, and earn money, Japan is a good place to do all that.


A dream world if you think partying and earning (saving?) money are compatible in Japan!!!

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Spain is a wonderful country, but I hate to admit that there are many backpacker teachers in Spain, almost none of whom care about teaching, but rather, go there just to party and to try their luck with the ladies. Please understand, I'm not saying this is a good or bad thing, but that's what they are looking for.


Replace Spain with Japan and you have a fair description of life here. Perhaps we are misinterpreting the term "backpacker". What I mean is not a transient that comes and goes in a month or 3. What I mean is someone with no experience/background in teaching and who has no regard for doing this job for the benefit of students, but in order to support a party lifestyle. In that sense, there are tons of them here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2004 6:21 am    Post subject: backpackers in Japan Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
A dream world if you think partying and earning (saving?) money are compatible in Japan!!!
Replace Spain with Japan and you have a fair description of life here. Perhaps we are misinterpreting the term "backpacker". What I mean is not a transient that comes and goes in a month or 3. What I mean is someone with no experience/background in teaching and who has no regard for doing this job for the benefit of students, but in order to support a party lifestyle. In that sense, there are tons of them here.


Hi Glenski,

I know exactly what you mean, unfortunately most English teachers in Spain are this way (though not all, there are some who are very dedicated).

I personally don't have a problem with English teachers partying, BUT only as long as they care about teaching and care about the students learning something useful.

It's certainly OK to party, drink beer, etc but if you're not interested in your students' well being then that is where I draw the line.
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