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judyandherhorse



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Advice about qualifications Reply with quote

Hi All,

I'm in a bit of a pickle really...I would like to teach in a country other than Australia but am unsure where to go.

I have a BA, Grad Dip TESOL and MA Ed. TESOL.

But I don't have an EU passport Sad

What positions could I apply for, do you think? I have been teaching General English for 2+ years but would like to move into Admin/Head Teacher roles....

Not sure where to go from here!

Any advice would be great appreciated!

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Extraordinary Rendition



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What appeals to you? The UK has a shortage of teachers; an outfit called Eurotemp seems to recruit non-EU nationals who have certified teacher status. Maybe once you are working there, you could start to look for something better.

I can't give you ideas about head teacher/admin, but surely others have ideas. Is money a motivating factor? The countries of the Middle East are always recruiting. With your credentials, you could pick your level in the ME, primary, secondary, tertiary, adults. Many western women work in the Middle East, but some complain about it, as do some men. There are reasonably well-paid teaching posts in Asia; Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Viet Nam, even in Thailand, with your credentials. But many women complain about Asia, as well (men to a lesser extent, perhaps).

Advertisements are starting to appear for well-paid jobs in Morocco, occasionally. I worked there for over three years, and never once heard anyone, men or women, seriously complain, except about pay. I know less about Latin America, but if lifestyle were the main consideration, I think Latin America would be a good choice; but you would need advice from others regarding well-paid opportunities, almost all advertised jobs seem to be extremely low-paying.

You might want to join TESOL (I can't remember the full name), an organization based in Virginia, in the United States. There is a fee, but I have been told that they have advertisements for many well-paid positions around the world, many requiring certified teacher status, which you appear to have.

Often, management positions are filled from within and/or require local language skills. Often, previous managerial experience is required.

Does any of this help? It's difficult to tell from your post exactly what you want to know...
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Withyour MA, you probably oculd get into schools in Europe. INterntaional schools might also accept you. I'd say you pretty much have the world at your feet.

Sharon
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Extraordinary Rendition



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nature Girl, you've piqued my curiosity. I have an MATEFL, too. What kind of schools are you thinking of in Europe?
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extraordinary Rendition wrote:
Nature Girl, you've piqued my curiosity. I have an MATEFL, too. What kind of schools are you thinking of in Europe?


Try the IB system. www.ibo.org

Also try interntioanl schools that aren't in such popular countries. ie, Germany, France and Spain schools probably get tons of applications, but I can't imagine those in Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania get the same amount.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

INTERNATIONAL SCHOOLS
www.bulter.nl/universities/index.asp List of Universities
www.worldwide.edu Worldwide Education
www.nics.org/openings.php Network of Christian Schools Int'l
www.cobisec.org/ Council of British Independent Schools in the EC
www.state.gov/m/a/os List of American International schools
www.bisw.org/ British International Schools Worldwide
www.acsi.org Association of Christian Schools International
www.ibo.org International Baccalaureate Organisation
www.isbi.com/ Independent Schools of the British Isle
www.moveandstay.com Selected Schools, children of Executives
www.internationaleducationmedia.com Unis and Schools Worldwide
www.aassa.com/htm/schools.htm Association of Am Schools in SA
http://aoshs.wichita.edu/SchoolsByCountry.html Am Overseas Schools
www.iie.org Institute of International Education
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Extraordinary Rendition



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the very comprehensive list!
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to help out. Good luck. Most schools have deadlines between Feb and April.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I worked in the EU some years ago, The rule for hiring non-EU nationals was that the employer had to 'show' that they had advertised the job 'sufficiently', and that no EU national was available for the job. I don't imagine that it has gotten any easier. A couple of years ago, a French university advertised on this site, not specifying that they required an EU national. However, I got a polite response some time later advising that they had had many applicants and had short-listed only EU nationals (or persons with permission to work in France, I can't recall the exact wording). I have read some of your posts about your quest for Romanian citizenship. For the benefit of the OP (and anyone else, including myself, although I don't think I'll be going anywhere that cold anytime soon [brrr!]), do you have more up-to-date information than mine on the situation in the EU for non-EU nationals with her credentials?
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Extraordinary Rendition wrote:
What appeals to you? The UK has a shortage of teachers; an outfit called Eurotemp seems to recruit non-EU nationals who have certified teacher status. Maybe once you are working there, you could start to look for something better.

Having worked for Eurotemp, I really would not recommend them.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As an American with MA TESL/TEFL + 10 years experience, I can vouch for the fact that it's still difficult and rare to land European uni/international school positions. Openings are not abundant, and it usually takes local connections to even be considered, in light of the fact that the school does have to petition for exceptions to EU hiring standards.

Not impossible (I've been EXTREMELY lucky myself) but rare and difficult to find, particularly from abroad.
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JZer



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What appeals to you? The UK has a shortage of teachers; an outfit called Eurotemp seems to recruit non-EU nationals who have certified teacher status. Maybe once you are working there, you could start to look for something better.


While I am no expert on this subject, I would like to make things as clear as possible. To work in the old EU states without a EU passport is difficult but if you are a certified teacher from the US, Australia, Canada or New Zealand work can be found in England from what I hear. Since England like the United States is lacking certified teachers they do accept certified teachers from the US, New Zealand, and Australia. That is not the same as proving that their are no English teachers in France or Germany.
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naturegirl321



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All the more reason to get certified
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Surfdude18



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JZer wrote:
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What appeals to you? The UK has a shortage of teachers; an outfit called Eurotemp seems to recruit non-EU nationals who have certified teacher status. Maybe once you are working there, you could start to look for something better.


While I am no expert on this subject, I would like to make things as clear as possible. To work in the old EU states without a EU passport is difficult but if you are a certified teacher from the US, Australia, Canada or New Zealand work can be found in England from what I hear. Since England like the United States is lacking certified teachers they do accept certified teachers from the US, New Zealand, and Australia. That is not the same as proving that their are no English teachers in France or Germany.


And to put it the other way round, how easy is it for a Qualified Teacher from the UK to get a job at a primary school in the USA?
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JZer



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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And to put it the other way round, how easy is it for a Qualified Teacher from the UK to get a job at a primary school in the USA?


If you are willing to teach in a large city I doubt that it is very difficult. The US hires over 10,000 foreign teachers a year. That is not including professors. Many schools hire Indian math teachers as well as certified Filipino teachers.
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