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Chris21
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Location: Japan
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My mistake. Good luck in the upcoming year, Prof. Miyazaki.  |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
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Location: My Father's Yacht
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| Thanks, Chris21. |
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Hoser
Joined: 19 Mar 2005
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Location: Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Professor eh? I was under the impression that Westgate wasn't much different from Nova-heck they even have a voice class! |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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Location: Out of Japan
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:01 am Post subject: |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
| Chris21, if you were a teacher back in Brisbane at UQ or Griffith, would I hear students addressing you as "Professor Chris21" regardless of your academic rank, or would Australian students address you as according to your exact academic rank (i.e., "Excuse me Junior Lecturer Chris21, but could I have a word with you?", " Hi! Assistant Professor Chris21?" or, "Senior Adjunct Lecturer Chris21, could I talk to you about my final grade?" - Not likely! |
Well when I went to Griffith, I don't think anybody called a teacher 'Professor', it's a very American usage. Most were simply addressed as Mr, or Dr (that's because they had a Dotorate not because they liked the ring to it). Again if someone was a Professor (ie they held that rank) they may be addressed that way in formal occasions but there were plenty of people around teaching, holding tutorials, giving lectures etc that wouldn't in a million years be referred to as 'Professor'. Anyone who said that they were simply on the strength of the fact they taught on campus would more likely be referred to as 'wanker', 'deckhead', 'loser' and so on... |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003
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Location: U.S.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| markle wrote: |
| Well when I went to Griffith, I don't think anybody called a teacher 'Professor', it's a very American usage. |
In the several American universities at which I took courses, I never heard anybody addressed as Professor. They were typically addressed as Doctor, and those without doctorates were usually on a first-name basis. The students were usually aware of who was a professor and who was a lecturer. I doubt anybody would have considered a lecturer to be a professor in any sense. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
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| Vince wrote: |
| In the several American universities at which I took courses, I never heard anybody addressed as Professor. They were typically addressed as Doctor, and those without doctorates were usually on a first-name basis. The students were usually aware of who was a professor and who was a lecturer. I doubt anybody would have considered a lecturer to be a professor in any sense. |
I stand corrected. |
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G Cthulhu
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Location: Way, way off course.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:39 am Post subject: |
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So are you telling me that Australian students refer to their university teachers by their rank and not the genric term "Prof." ?
Like I said above, do Australians go up to teachers in university and say, "Junior Lecturer Smith, can I talk to you about my paper?" No, they don't. They say, "Hi Prof. Smith I'd like talk to you about my paper."
The reality is that students, for the most part, don't know or even care what academic rank their instructors are. |
In my experience (in English speaking countries outside North America) if they're not on a first name basis, the usual term is "Doctor", not Prof. Professor is a rank, not a term of address (outside of formal occasions). That is, after all, what a "PhD" is all about.
In the US Prof may be common, but it isn't in other places. Get over it. You aren't and won't be a "professor". |
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11:59
Joined: 31 Aug 2006
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Location: Hong Kong: The 'Pearl of the Orient'
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:17 am Post subject: |
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The term 'professor' is reserved for those who have had this title conferred on them by an accredited tertiary institution either for length of service as a lecturer/researcher, research output/success, and/or publications in peer-reviewed ('A') journals, conference proceedings, and the like. It is not a generic label for anyone who just happens to teach a bit of English (typically non-credit bearing courses) at a university.
Sorry to shatter your illusions, but publications in relevant journals seem to be a prerequisite for proper teaching posts at Japanese universities. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 08 Feb 2003
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Location: Hong Kong
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:57 am Post subject: Re: I'm Going to be Professor! |
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| Miyazaki wrote: |
Hey all,
I just got an interview for a university teaching position in Tokyo - I think I finally got a shot at a university gig! |
Congrats on the Tokyo job!
When is your first day of teaching? Have you moved your stuff yet?
Do you have a contract with the uni? Or is it one of those where you are working parttime first for awhile? |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003
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Location: U.S.
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| Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: |
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| I got right into the professor usage debate and neglected to wish you luck. I never meant to belittle your opportunity. Now that we're hearing word of it becoming illegal to outsource university teachers, the university might take you on directly as a "special guest lecturer" or something along those lines. That kind of arrangement might give you access to university employee benefits Westgate doesn't offer, and it would definitely look better on your resume. That's just speculation, but the point is that there's potential for different things to happen. |
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Apsara
Joined: 20 Sep 2005
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Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Australia is quite different from NZ then if students call all their university instructors Prof or Professor. At Auckland University we called our instructors Professor So and so only if that was the rank they held, which we would have known from class handouts etc. Some of the doctorate holders we would have address as Dr. So and so, the rest we were on first name terms with.
It obviously varies from country to country, but although I wish you luck with your posting, I am in the camp that says you are not reeeeaaally a professor- sorry! 
Congratulations on the new job anyway, and see how many of the students you can get to address you as "Professor Miyazaki", just for fun  |
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