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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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When I was teaching at a certain large teaching establishment in Moscow last year there were boo coo people teaching privates on the side and claiming to collect up to $80 per hour. I don�t know how true that was, but that�s what they said.... some of them.
The hassle is likely to be getting permission to hang out, now that the visa regs are somewhat tightened up. I have been thinking of going back and having a stab at teaching medical english .... someday. |
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It's not unusual to charge 2000 rublees per academic. That's �40 and yes about $80. To get this you have to be well established known locally. Not a figure for the short term visiter.
We don't often talk about dollars here nowadays, and most who have had their salary payed based on the $ have now requested to have their contract renewed, based on rublee or Euro.
Large figure prices are now normally discussed, although I will always think in ���s. It's easy , �20 to every 1000 rublees. |
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mdk
Joined: 09 Jun 2007 Posts: 425
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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Moscow! Moscow! Moscow!
It is like the 3 sisters in Chekhov�s play. Everybody wants to go to Moscow. There are lots of nice places to live besides Moscow. Take some time and learn a little Russian. Then look around. Russia is a nice country if you spend a little time to find a good place and don�t go to places like Tyumen, for example.
I remember when I was living outside Moscow you could get a seat within 20 meters of the stage while a laureate violinist played Brahms� violin concerto. It cost me six dollars for these seats. Try to get that in Moscow. Hah! Good luck. |
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canucktechie

Joined: 07 Feb 2003 Posts: 343 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 6:52 am Post subject: |
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| Everybody wants to go to Moscow. |
Well no they don't. People go to Moscow because that's where the jobs are, or at least all the jobs that pay enough to live on decently.
If the jobs in Moscow didn't pay more than anywhere else, you would see a huge exodus out of the city, and that goes just as much for Russians as for expats. |
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maruss
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Cyprus
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 11:08 am Post subject: Absolutely! |
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The sole reason that people are pouring into Moscow from outside is money of course, because that's where the jobs are!The cost of living in general has risen considerably everywhere in Russia during the last year or so but wages outside the capital are usually much lower!
As a result the place is bursting at the seams,the traffic is often at a standstill and the metro and buses are a nightmare throughout the day,rather than just in the rush-hour!The quality of life is consequently poorer for almost everybody,despite all the money which the capital boasts it is awash with!No wonder holidays abroad or even to quieter places nearby are all the rage because people are trying to save their sanity by escaping whenever they can.......Increased demand means increased prices for appartments etc and who can blame landlords for 'making hay while the sun shines!!'
Where will it all end?Who knows-in Russia, everything is possible!
I fully agree that there are much nicer-and mentally and physically healthier places- to live in Russia, but money makes the world go around, there, just as much as in other places! |
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mdk
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| The sole reason that people are pouring into Moscow from outside is money of course, because that's where the jobs are! |
It�s not true you know. I know of several jobs going wanting in Tomsk for instance. You have to be willing to be paid what a Russian English teacher would get, but (as you may have guessed) I liked teaching there. For one thing there weren�t a lot of tedious clowns who had come to Russia to make money.
Of course, such tedious clowns are not to be found in Moscow either where all of the TEFL teachers are dedicated professionals. |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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On a discussian with my Russian students, caused by Market leader upper intermediate, there impression is that they are many great offers to get out of Moscow from those other cities and towns. Thatat they do realise thta due to the problem of Moscow having all the professionalism and talent etc, that they must entice those from Moscow with greater packages. Otherwise those other outside areas won't get the the required professional workforce that they want.
Therefore they are pressurised to make great package offers that exceeds what Moscow offers.
Great, will they do this for EFL teachers ?? Otherwise forget it , as I don't want to know. PERIOD! |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| They already make much better offers to teachers in the western oblast for example. Simply 25 km from the nearest moscow metro. And they offer free a minibus service at a convenient location in Moscow. The income is normally at least double the usual, and due to shortages normally negotiable to get much higher income. Unfortunately for some the high demand is for children and teenagers. |
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maruss
Joined: 18 Mar 2003 Posts: 1145 Location: Cyprus
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 2:45 pm Post subject: Teaching children etc. |
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Bels is absolutely right(to give him credit,he usually is about everything to do with Russia!)-there are very well paid jobs out in Zhukovka and Rublevo etc. which usually involve teaching either kids, some of whom are very young, up to teenagers.They are either at private houses or in small groups at special schools for the upper income bracket families.This is an elitist area and their parents often have very big money!
Teaching children requires certain qualities of character and abilities,plus the correct training and a genuine interest and liking for them.It is certainly not a job to do just because it pays well.Maybe because of my age,I don't have either the patience or the rapport with them and stick to adults and older teenagers whenever I can.When I first went to Moscow to teach,I was given several state schools where I had about 8 academic hours per week in total,in addition to my adult groups and 1/1 at the firms office.This was not not what I expected after being interviewed in London and basically I went along with it as a gesture of goodwill for a few months,but would not opt to do it again.
Kids are very sensitive and not having the correct teacher at an early age can do them a lot of harm which may affect them permanently.So unless you are sure it's right for you,don't try it!There are plenty of firms who teach in-company and adult groups for people like us! |
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mdk
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| When I taught in Siberia I taught electrical engineering and physics students and like that. You couldn�t hurt them critters much and it was fun. MUCH more fun than little kids....especially little rich kids. |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| When I taught in Siberia I taught electrical engineering and physics students and like that. You couldn�t hurt them critters much and it was fun. MUCH more fun than little kids....especially little rich kids. |
How old were they Siberian kids I taught in England, near Oxford, They were between 8 and 11. They were great, but no electrical engineering or Physics. Just general communication. Yes, Indertand your point, teching kids means good management of your classroom. It's not easy, and you do have managegement problems to deal with. You do need support from more thatn one. Hopefully schools realize this, as we do do. It's a group problem, and don't expect a new native teacher to handlke it on their own without communication problem between pupils and parents. Stand by your talented native teacher, but realise he can't do it on his own, he needs support to reasssure parents he is doing it the right way.
As when these frustrated parents who have learned English the wrong way, continue to claim the right way is the direction in which they failed miserably |
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mdk
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Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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It�s not just the kids. I had teenagers in Moscow and generally enjoyed them. They were bright good kids.
But I taught them in the evening. After a full day at the Russian school. They were so pooped their eyes were literally rolling in their heads.
The university students were college age. With that group they had been through the regular Russian "English" course (Remember Tomsk was sealed off for over 70 years) I would start each class by going around and asking them to give me their name, city of origin, and career goal in English. When you get that deer in the headlights stare - you know you�ve got yer work cut out that semester.
I also taught students who were studying to be translators. Some of them were real whips and generally had good English skills.
But them rugrats can be a problem. Nothing like a smartass six year old to make you appreciate teenagers who are just pooped. |
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anubistaima
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 110 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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As Canuck said, you can get a residency permit (I'm in the process), but you basically need to be married to a Russian.
Good luck! |
Also possible if you have been living in Russia for more than two years (that's my case and I'm also in the process), even if you're not married to a Russian. |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| jpvanderwerf2001 wrote: |
As Canuck said, you can get a residency permit (I'm in the process), but you basically need to be married to a Russian.
Good luck! |
Also possible if you have been living in Russia for more than two years (that's my case and I'm also in the process), even if you're not married to a Russian. |
Good luck if you are not married to a Russian, you are in the quota system. I've not known anybody to achieve this without being married to a Russian spouse. Pas prove me wrong, althogh they keep saying it's possible, I have not yet yet heard of a westerner achieving this residency on what is called quota basis. Please cdiscuss in expat.ru discussion forums if you ever achieve temporary residency. But for the moment nobody is claiming success on this matter. he only ones successful appear to be married to a Russian spouse, and I am one of them. I have residency and I am legally registered as an entrepeneur in the Russian tax office. |
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BELS
Joined: 24 Mar 2005 Posts: 402 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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It�s not just the kids. I had teenagers in Moscow and generally enjoyed them. They were bright good kids.
But I taught them in the evening. After a full day at the Russian school. They were so pooped their eyes were literally rolling in their heads.
The university students were college age. With that group they had been through the regular Russian "English" course (Remember Tomsk was sealed off for over 70 years) I would start each class by going around and asking them to give me their name, city of origin, and career goal in English. When you get that deer in the headlights stare - you know you�ve got yer work cut out that semester.
I also taught students who were studying to be translators. Some of them were real whips and generally had good English skills.
But them rugrats can be a problem. Nothing like a smartass six year old to make you appreciate teenagers who are just pooped. |
You need time with students, when you first meet them, they might not understand, they may well not understand you completely. but after a number of lessons you may well discover they know a lot more than you think they do. Or i n my experience it could also mean the opposite.
It's very important that you can give a good assessment system,with all skills, you may well find some are strong in grammar, but very poor in verbal communication for example.
ou need to be able to assess the student, and thet takes the knowledge of finding the resources and peronal skills and experience. |
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anubistaima
Joined: 02 Nov 2004 Posts: 110 Location: Thailand
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:37 am Post subject: |
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| jpvanderwerf2001 wrote: |
As Canuck said, you can get a residency permit (I'm in the process), but you basically need to be married to a Russian.
Good luck! |
Also possible if you have been living in Russia for more than two years (that's my case and I'm also in the process), even if you're not married to a Russian. |
Good luck if you are not married to a Russian, you are in the quota system. I've not known anybody to achieve this without being married to a Russian spouse. Pas prove me wrong, althogh they keep saying it's possible, I have not yet yet heard of a westerner achieving this residency on what is called quota basis. Please cdiscuss in expat.ru discussion forums if you ever achieve temporary residency. But for the moment nobody is claiming success on this matter. he only ones successful appear to be married to a Russian spouse, and I am one of them. I have residency and I am legally registered as an entrepeneur in the Russian tax office. |
I'll definitively post when/if it happens. However, I'm not in Moscow, so I think my chances are greater. The quota is larger here and there aren't as many people applying. Let's hope that works in my favor. |
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