|
Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 1970
Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
|
 Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| geaaronson wrote: |
I note that there are some people on this thread that think like New Yorkers. Ever see the poster by Ben Shahn, NYC takes up 75% of American and the remainder of the country fills 25%.
D.F. is only a small part of Mexico. Just take the tortuga to Lago de Bravo or somewhere. |
Although I lived in New York City for over 14 years, I am perfectly aware that there exists another world outside of the big city, be it NYC or the D.F. My comments about setting your turtle free in the Chapultepec lake were meant to be somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but there is no emoticon to express that, sorry. Can you see yourself shlepping a very large turtle in some sort of container (maybe Tupperwear?) on a two-hour bus trip to Valle de Bravo? Maybe you'd consider setting it free in one of the canals in Xochimilco. Though as Guy rightly argues, animals bred in captivity have almost no chances of surviving in the wild, even if it's the relatively civilized one of the chinampas. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 1970
Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
|
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| spiral78 wrote: |
| Good point, Lozwich. Maybe the really ethical choice is not to choose to support the industry that produces non-domesticatable animals as pets. |
Hmm, I wonder if the turtles people keep as pets in Mexico (and elsewhere) are non-domesticated varieties or not. What about goldfish, could I have one as a pet (providing it with a lovely glass bowl to swim around in), and keep my conscience clear? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lozwich
Joined: 25 May 2003
Posts: 1536
|
| Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Goldfish are great! Get yourself a couple so they can keep each other company, 3 if you want to prevent any type of aggressive wars happening between them.
Just promise me that if you can't keep it/them anymore, you won't flush them down the toilet whether they're alive or dead. Goldfish get lots of yucky fungi (my favourite is called 'ick') that we need to keep out of the waterways. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 1970
Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
|
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
| lozwich wrote: |
Goldfish are great! Get yourself a couple so they can keep each other company, 3 if you want to prevent any type of aggressive wars happening between them.
Just promise me that if you can't keep it/them anymore, you won't flush them down the toilet whether they're alive or dead. Goldfish get lots of yucky fungi (my favourite is called 'ick') that we need to keep out of the waterways. |
It sounds like goldfish are the ticket. Lozwich, never fear, I would never flush any living (or deceased) creature down the toilet except for cucarachas! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Gary Denness
Guest
|
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 7:23 am Post subject: Re: to continue the discussion |
|
|
| geaaronson wrote: |
Guy, all animals die.You`ve given me only one example, one whale.
I heartily disagree with you. Having been in prison for most of their lives, once an animal is given freedom he relishes it more than had he lived free in the wild all his life. Our pets give us mutual satisfaction. They enjoy being fed petted fussed over. But let`s face it. They are in captivity. Our popular domesticated critters prefer captivity but a bird, snake, turtle would choose to be in the wild in a heartbeat. That is their true nature.
I do believe that most of the animal kingdom are rightwingers by birth. I say this in jest, but it`s true. Their motto is LIVE FREE OR DIE: It`s us humans that are interdependent and codependent. Same for dogs. Cats lack codependency. So, I stick by what I say. Let the critter go when he gets bigger. |
In the UK it's illegal to release turtles, hamsters and other critters into the wild, because they have a nasty habit of screwing with the habitat. I have no idea what Mexico's laws are, but I suspect nature doesn't observe the niceties of borders.
Did you ever watch Born Free? It's the one good example I can think of to support your point, but I suspect it's the exception. And it took Ms Adamson years to achieve.
As a general rule of thumb, any animal that has become dependent on humans for food and shelter, even for a short while, will not survive long when released into the wild. In most cases it would be kinder to put it to sleep. Or kinder still to provide it with the space, food and companionship it needs to be happy in captivity.
Incidentally, RES are generally fine in captivity, providing they have a decent pool, filled with fresh water, and a little sun to bathe in. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
lozwich
Joined: 25 May 2003
Posts: 1536
|
| Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: to continue the discussion |
|
|
| Gary Denness wrote: |
| Incidentally, RES are generally fine in captivity, providing they have a decent pool, filled with fresh water, and a little sun to bathe in. |
Do you mean cows???
Once I was attacked (well, glared at menacingly) by a bunch of cows and a donkey. Absolutely terrifying! I don't think I'll ever recover from that.
 |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007
Posts: 2041
Location: A World of my Own
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| It sounds like goldfish are the ticket. |
There are goldfish living in their natural habitat right here in Lake Texcoco in the great metropolis! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MO39
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Posts: 1970
Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
|
| Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Phil_K wrote: |
| Quote: |
| It sounds like goldfish are the ticket. |
There are goldfish living in their natural habitat right here in Lake Texcoco in the great metropolis! |
It's hard to believe that any creature could survive in the murky waters of the Lago de Texcoco! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
