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Star International Changchun ripoff
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DistantRelative



Joined: 19 Oct 2004
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Location: Shaanxi/Xian

PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

GWOW: Nice to see you made it back! Hope you managed to get all the issues with your internet straightened out!

Middleman- It's good to hear your experience with Star has been a positive one. We'll hope it remains so. You say you have worked for them "at intervals, on and off, since 2006"? Have you gotten any of your deposits back? You don't address this in your post. You only state that you've worked for them, and they do indeed withhold money from your salary. Are we to assume that they are currently holding 2400 of your salary on an apartment they provided for you?

Frankly I think this is reasonable enough, but based on DC's experience, if I were in your shoes, I would be a bit concerned about it.

Zhuhao,

Shawn
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Middleman: It's great you are having a fair go of it at your current employer, and even dedicate your first post on Daves in defense thereof.

It's unfortunate that you didn't post this nice review earlier, before a defense of your employer, in such a timely and convenient manner, would appear to some to be almost conjured.

Is it true that Star International keeps the passports of it's FTs? That seems an unlikely thing.

Thanks and continued good luck.
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OGFT



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

no one thinks they will get a deposit back..especially the landlord that takes it..
in Florida..even if you got it back there was no interest paid on it..


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It's unfortunate that you didn't post this nice review earlier, before a defense of your employer, in such a timely and convenient manner, would appear to some to be almost conjured.



Conjured or not...likely the gentleman didn't start to work early enough to defend his employees honor...by the way, Middleman..is Peter still hanging with the Changchun Gangsters.
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Middleman



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I didn't realise that taking deposits was illegal in accordance with the labour law. I'll check up on it. Thanks for letting me know anyway.
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Middleman



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are we to assume that they are currently holding 2400 of your salary on an apartment they provided for you?


Yes, the company are currently holding 2400 yuan of my salary in respect of damage deposit.

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Is it true that Star International keeps the passports of it's FTs? That seems an unlikely thing.


Yes, it is true that Star International takes the passports of foreign teachers for two months to ensure that people don't leave within the first couple of months and then gives it back to them after this two month period.

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is Peter still hanging with the Changchun Gangsters.


Haha, I have no idea what Peter does in his free time, but I'll let you know if I ever see him hanging about the Changchun mafia bosses.

Anyway, I hope that answers everyone's questions. I'll have a look at that labour law re: damage deposits.
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propertee



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Middleman wrote:
Yes, it is true that Star International takes the passports of foreign teachers for two months to ensure that people don't leave within the first couple of months and then gives it back to them after this two month period.


Anyone handing their passport over to anyone in such a manner deserves to be abused.
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to agree that holding someone hostage by retaining their passport, rather than keeping a teacher by treating them well, is a pretty low form of behaviour. As for keeping an on-going deposit, that strikes me as total BS too. Taken together, it would make me worry about this particular organization's ethics and attitudes.

RED
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lf_aristotle69



Joined: 06 May 2006
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Location: HangZhou, China

PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Middleman wrote:
Quote:
Are we to assume that they are currently holding 2400 of your salary on an apartment they provided for you?


Yes, the company are currently holding 2400 yuan of my salary in respect of damage deposit.

Quote:
Is it true that Star International keeps the passports of it's FTs? That seems an unlikely thing.


Yes, it is true that Star International takes the passports of foreign teachers for two months to ensure that people don't leave within the first couple of months and then gives it back to them after this two month period.

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is Peter still hanging with the Changchun Gangsters.


Haha, I have no idea what Peter does in his free time, but I'll let you know if I ever see him hanging about the Changchun mafia bosses.

Anyway, I hope that answers everyone's questions. I'll have a look at that labour law re: damage deposits.



Hmmm. I think I was wrong to give this employer the benefit of the doubt in another forum. And, clearly, the reputed con artist, Peter Guo (ex-lawyer and friend of gangsters), IS still running the show.

Middleman. Where are you from? You seem to write in Chinglish!

Why are you so casual about the 3 unlawful/illegal activities that you refer to? You can't steal someone's passport! You can't steal someone's earned salary. And, if an "ex-lawyer" is spending his social time with criminals, that pretty much sums it up!

It also pretty much sums up the system in many parts of China that an "ex-lawyer" 'has connections' in a PSB too.

I'm going to spread the word about the illegal practices of this company now too. I don't like to be conned!

LFA
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Teatime of Soul



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, it is true that Star International takes the passports of foreign teachers for two months to ensure that people don't leave within the first couple of months and then gives it back to them after this two month period.


Has the owner considered branding FTs when they arrive?

That's why they invented branding irons, so cattle and slaves could be returned to their rightful owner.

Sweet jumping baby Jeebus.
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Lobster



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My last employer wanted to barcode my forehead. I used Nu-SkinTM and peeled it off afterwards.

RED
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kev7161



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For those of you in a new job situation and have even an inkling that your boss is going to keep your passport beyond the time they need to get a residence permit affixed, you should beware. I don't often use my passport in a 2 or 3 month span of time, but I do use it. Mostly my once a month trip to the bank to exchange money is the main reason. However, should I want to go somewhere and sleep in a hotel, I must show it to the front desk. Certainly if I were to FLY somewhere, I need to have it as ID. But just the fact that someone else is holding on to it would creep me out.

You need to make sure (get it in writing if need be) that you are going to get your passport back immediately (within a couple of weeks tops). If they hem and haw or have some sort of "policy" about keeping it, don't accept the job. If they say they need it for some other reason, have a copy of the main page (and they can copy the Res. permit) at the ready to provide them. KEEP YOUR PASSPORT! It is one of the most important documents in your possession while in a strange and new foreign country.
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cj750s



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Under the current labor laws of china an employer cannot even keep your passport...any infraction can and should be reported to your embassy and then to the labor board. It is also law that your should also have the passport on you at all times..but usually a copy will do...
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Middleman



Joined: 21 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chinglish? I thought my English was ok for an Englishman. I'll have to brush up on my grammar in the future. I guess you're right though, it's probably best to hang onto your passport. I gave it to them because I trusted them, (I guess you'll think I'm naive) but I got it back after the 2 month period as they had promised. I'm not even sure if it's a part of their policy now. They still have a deposit, but I'm expecting that I will be getting that back too when my employment with them comes to an end, (probably again naively, but we'll see). To be honest though, I haven't heard of any evidence that Peter is spending time with gangsters.
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