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Teaching adults in DF without traveling...possible?
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:40 pm    Post subject: Teaching adults in DF without traveling...possible? Reply with quote

OK, since I'll be heading to DF in a few weeks and would like to try adults first, are there any language schools where I could teach and NOT have to travel around the whole city?

Is it possible to work for Berlitz let's say, and stay in one location where the clients come to you?

Is it possible to make at least 80 pesos and hour working for a language school teaching adults?

I've thought about teaching kids and I'm still considering it, but from what I've been reading on this forum, teaching kids is a hazard to ones health.

Thanks.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose you can teach adults without traveling around the city, but you won't make much money per hour. I haven't done this for awhile, so I can't quote you an hourly pay rate. One advantage of teaching this way is that you wouldn't have lots of last-minute cancellations since you'd be teaching groups, and it's unlikely that all the members of one group would cancel on the same day. My experience in the DF in the last few months (since last September) is that when schools are looking for native-speaker teachers, they want you for company classes, which means lots of traveling.
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geaaronson



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many of the language schools will pay only 30-50 pesos per hour for inhouse classes. I have only come across one school, Kiosk International in Condesa, that paid 100 pesos per hour but they only had two hours of classes in the morning available.

You might think about making up flyers or business cards and handing them around to people in the neighborhood and giving classes out of your apartment.
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, it's very hard to find good pay staying put in a language school. You might try Quick Learning...they apparently offer a good salary (not per hour), on full time work.

I've read claims that Harmon Hall pay is over 100 pesos per hour, but I've always doubted that to be true. You could always check there anyway.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like I may need to try a school for kids.
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guatetaliana



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Re: QuickLearning. My husband was offered a job with them and balked when he found out what was involved. The pay is good, but they require about 60 hours per week (7am-12pm and then 4pm-10pm weekdays and something crazy on Saturdays). They reportedly even have a lounge where teachers catch up on sleep between classes. As one of my husband's co-workers joked, it's only for someone who needs to pay child support in the US or pay for a funeral or something! But there should be way better options out there...
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MO39



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

guatetaliana wrote:
Re: QuickLearning. My husband was offered a job with them and balked when he found out what was involved. The pay is good, but they require about 60 hours per week (7am-12pm and then 4pm-10pm weekdays and something crazy on Saturdays). They reportedly even have a lounge where teachers catch up on sleep between classes. As one of my husband's co-workers joked, it's only for someone who needs to pay child support in the US or pay for a funeral or something! But there should be way better options out there...


It sounds unreal to me! You say the pay is good, but how much does it come to when you break it down per hour?
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guatetaliana



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:

It sounds unreal to me! You say the pay is good, but how much does it come to when you break it down per hour?


I believe the pay was over $15,000 pesos per month. When we broke it down by the hour, we included about 3 hours from that 12-4 "free time" because those would clearly be spent doing prep. So it ended up being something like 55 pesos per hour. For a job that gives you no free time, that's kind of insane.

Also it required a month of training in DF. Not a big problem for my husband, even though we're in Monterrey. We live to travel. But for some, that was prohibitive, especially because you have to shoulder your own transportation costs to and from DF for the training. They provide the housing, though...supposedly...
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

QL is a joke. Teach kids. The pay is better and you have the weekends off, paid vacations, benefits, and paid holidays. I just had two weeks off and I get May 1st, 2nd, the weekend (3rd, 4th) and the 5th off. Viva la SEP! Very Happy

http://www.sep.gob.mx/wb2/sep1/sep1_Calendario_Escolar_20072008
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MO39



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
QL is a joke. Teach kids. The pay is better and you have the weekends off, paid vacations, benefits, and paid holidays. I just had two weeks off and I get May 1st, 2nd, the weekend (3rd, 4th) and the 5th off. Viva la SEP! Very Happy

http://www.sep.gob.mx/wb2/sep1/sep1_Calendario_Escolar_20072008


That's a fine solution if you like teaching kids, but for those of us who don't want to teach the little ones, we have to seek out jobs in other venues.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
Prof.Gringo wrote:
QL is a joke. Teach kids. The pay is better and you have the weekends off, paid vacations, benefits, and paid holidays. I just had two weeks off and I get May 1st, 2nd, the weekend (3rd, 4th) and the 5th off. Viva la SEP! Very Happy

http://www.sep.gob.mx/wb2/sep1/sep1_Calendario_Escolar_20072008


That's a fine solution if you like teaching kids, but for those of us who don't want to teach the little ones, we have to seek out jobs in other venues.


I have looked for a job where you are teaching adults, in one location and getting decent pay. I interviewed for a Spanish telecom company in DF one time. They have a call center. They need a teacher to coach and help the CSR's improve their English skills. I remember the pay was about $10,000 pesos per month. Good working hours. I went to work for a secundaria instead. If you can find a call center or another type of business that needs teachers full-time on-site that would be a good option.

I haven't seen a language school yet that pays well, has plenty of hours and doesn't make you feel like a slave. I know that Harmon Hell and Anglo Americano are paying about $80 per hour for institute classes. Or try a Uni. Though we have several former Uni. profs in my school who are getting better pay teaching kids.

If you can handle it and especially if you enjoy it, the colegios are where it's at.
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guatetaliana



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've come to the conclusion that teaching kids probably offers better pay and consecutive hours, but you've got to be highly selective about where you're working because boy did I just get out of a nightmare! I don't think the pay, hours, vacations, and benefits should be the first thing you consider when you look at teaching younger learners. You have to look at your skills, preparation, and patience with obnoxious people of all ages. You also should be very careful about the particular institution. Obviously there are some great ones out there. There are also some ridiculous ones. Just because they have a fancy website, gorgeous new facilities, and great pay doesn't mean the conditions for teachers there are worth what you get. Sad
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dixie



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guatetaliana wrote:
I've come to the conclusion that teaching kids probably offers better pay and consecutive hours, but you've got to be highly selective about where you're working because boy did I just get out of a nightmare! I don't think the pay, hours, vacations, and benefits should be the first thing you consider when you look at teaching younger learners. You have to look at your skills, preparation, and patience with obnoxious people of all ages. You also should be very careful about the particular institution. Obviously there are some great ones out there. There are also some ridiculous ones. Just because they have a fancy website, gorgeous new facilities, and great pay doesn't mean the conditions for teachers there are worth what you get. Sad


So true!

Another thing to do (if you can) is to ask to go to the school before you agree to work there. Ask to observe classes (especially with newer teachers in it, as they are less likely to "know the game" or the students, so it will give one a better idea how it might be for them), and to talk to staff (both current, and past).

Staff can also be a major issue (opposed to only being worried about spoiled kids), as I worked in a school recently where one staff memeber in particular was cruel. She openly gossiped in the kitchen/staff room, regardless of who was there (including gossip about management, while they were there!), and felt that she was the one in charge of the school, criticizing, and blaming whoever, whenever. In essence, she was a bully.

To thrive in the private system is not easy, especially if you are there to educate, rather than help owners make more money. Rolling Eyes Mad
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To the OP:

And what's wrong with moving around?

If you were to apply to me for a job, I'd turn turn you down instantly if that were your condition! (If you have some medical reason for that, then I apologize).

DF is a big city, but most important businesses are concentrated in a small part of it. Public transportation is ridiculously cheap - although not too luxurious, I concede, (that's why I use a car).

The supply of teachers seems to me to be higher than the demand for classes, therefore it's not a good idea to be too choosy.
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jfurgers



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
To the OP:

And what's wrong with moving around



Nothing wrong with moving around. My wife (from DF) tells me it's a pain in the neck to move around that city and it may cost me more in time than it is worth. Plus, my Spanish isn't very well right now. My wife never helps me. She only uses me for the English and only speaks to me in Spanish when she's angry Evil or Very Mad
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