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ootii
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Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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| I find it odd that non-Muslims would choose to send their children to an Islamic school. |
On the surface it's no stranger than Muslims sending their kids to a Catholic or Jehovah's Witness school, but I'm sure that happens too. If that boy's parents had been better informed about the enviornment here, they might not have send their kid to Manarat. Not many people seem to place a high priority on the availability of schools then they are considering moving to a place for a job. |
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007
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ootii wrote: |
| ..On the surface it's no stranger than Muslims sending their kids to a Catholic or Jehovah's Witness school, but I'm sure that happens too. |
I wonder if you could give us an example where Muslims send their kids to a Catholic or Jenovah;s witness school, and in which country?
As far as I know, for example in UK, there are Christian and Jews school, and some of these school do not accept anyone, they require that the parents of the kids to follow the same religion as the school's faith. And the Christian schools in UK follow the British curriculum plus extra religion teaching. The same apply for Islamic school in UK, they follow the British curriculum, plus additional Islamic teaching, and some of the Muslims in UK send their kids to Islamic schools. BUT, I have never heard a Muslim in UK sending his kids to a Christian school!! |
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ootii
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Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| 007 wrote: |
| ootii wrote: |
| ..On the surface it's no stranger than Muslims sending their kids to a Catholic or Jehovah's Witness school, but I'm sure that happens too. |
I wonder if you could give us an example where Muslims send their kids to a Catholic or Jenovah;s witness school, and in which country? |
I read a newspaper report about some Muslim kids in a Jehovah's Witness school in Britain some years ago. That was probably in The Independent, or maybe The Guardian, I didn't often read other newspapers. People often send their kids to religious schools for reasons other than overt religious indoctrination - they are attracted by discipline, academic rigour, or "values".
[quote[As far as I know, for example in UK, there are Christian and Jews school, and some of these school do not accept anyone, they require that the parents of the kids to follow the same religion as the school's faith. And the Christian schools in UK follow the British curriculum plus extra religion teaching.[/quote]
I'm not sure whether that would be legal in many countries, whether or not the schools received public subsidies. It also seems to collide with the liberal values many modern Western states are founded on. You'll find lots of non-Catholic kids in American Catholic schools. In the 70s quite a lot of people sent their kids to them in an effort to avoid the newly desegregated schools in large urban areas.
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| The same apply for Islamic school in UK, they follow the British curriculum, plus additional Islamic teaching, and some of the Muslims in UK send their kids to Islamic schools. BUT, I have never heard a Muslim in UK sending his kids to a Christian school!! |
You're not counting state funded C of E schools, I guess. The multiple school system in the UK, if it still exists, was also used to avoid "race mixing".
Back to Manarat, it's basically like a UK Islamic school, and most of the teachers are British. I was a little startled that non-Muslims might send their kids there, especially since they do advertise themselves as an "Islamic school", but you can never anticipate what people might do. If you want to completely aovid religious instruction here, though, your options are pretty limited. A friend of mine sent his daughter to the French school for this reason. |
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livro do desassossego
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: inter-faith schools. |
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| I am a muslim and I send my son to an Anglican school. He opts out of the end of term Anglican service and when they have any form of prayer mutters under his breath Islamic prayers. Oddly enough, for such a secular society, an awful lot of schools in the U.K. are denominational, i.e. religious. |
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007
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| Posted: Thu Feb 15, 2007 8:03 pm Post subject: Re: inter-faith schools. |
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| livro do desassossego wrote: |
| I am a muslim and I send my son to an Anglican school. He opts out of the end of term Anglican service and when they have any form of prayer mutters under his breath Islamic prayers. Oddly enough, for such a secular society, an awful lot of schools in the U.K. are denominational, i.e. religious. |
�Faith schools consistently achieve better results than other state schools, and the Government believes this is in part due to a stronger ethos being laid down in the classrooms. Recent surveys show that 45 per cent of the population of England has no religious belief while nearly a third do not believe in God, but perversely for every place in a Church of England classroom there are 160 applications from parents.� The Observer (2001)
...... BUT.. also you may have the following senario:
�The Home Office recommended [mixed schools, not sectarian ones] after releasing a report on the riots in the northern cities of Bradford, Oldham and Burnley that warned that a heavy concentration of students from one religion or racial group risks damaging community cohesion.�
Barry James (2002). |
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Imdramayu
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: International schools in Damman/Khobar |
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| What are the international schools (for 4-year-olds) in Damman/Khobar? Is there a list around? |
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trapezius
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Location: Land of Culture of Death & Destruction
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Here is a group of schools with Western admin and Western curricula:
http://www.isgdh.org/ |
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Stephen Jones
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And I guess the terms �Bin Bush� and �Ibn al-Kuffar� used by the Saudi kids, are taken or heard from their parents!
In addition, the harassment in these religious school, or any other schools (private or government), is mostly from the Saudi kids |
Manarat Ar-Riyadh English section is not allowed to take Saudi kids unless they have one western parent.
Back in the early nineties I taught there. Nearly all students were Muslim though I did have one kid whose father was Jewish. Wouldn't recommend it for Christian kids, but then we would always tell new Muslim parents to send their kids elsewhere (they rarely listened to us).
Manarat Khobar used to be OK. Have no contacts their now. |
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desert_traveller
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... mostly from the Saudi kids, and some of them are ill-brought up and not well behaved (related to their culture, tradition, and how they treat their foreigner workers).
BTW, some of the private schools in SA, are for �business� benefit and not for real education. |
Mate, u r a true gentleman and a born diplomat, dropping in those two 'some's there, but particularly the second one.
Imho. |
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veiledsentiments
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Ootii last posted above in Aug 2007, so s/he might not be around to answer you.
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Imdramayu
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:41 am Post subject: Missing schools |
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| From the sounds of things, dd (darling daughter) will be staying at home with the housemaid instead of going to a preschool. It looks like the schools are pretty full. This is a problem in Doha (where we are currently) but I thought Damman/Khobar/Dhrahan were older & bigger cities that had a sufficient number of preschool/kindergartens for the population. Is the area growing rapidly? |
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scot47
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| Maybe you had not noticed that Oil is US$112 a barrel ? Growth is very rapid. |
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mandalayroad
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| From the early 20th century through the 1970s it was common for Muslim parents to send their children to Anglican schools in South Asia and Burma. Why? It was the best education available and all people of means wanted to send their kids there where the proselytizing was simply ignored. |
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