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Phil_K



Joined: 25 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: FM2/3 Warning! Reply with quote

I just want to advise those people who are travelling outside Mexico for the first time to make sure they get their FM2/3 stamped at the airport.

I did this for the first time last December, travelling to the USA and didn't get the stamp, as no one mentioned that you have to visit an immigration office that is not en route through the gate.

Today, presenting my FM2 for refrendo in INM, I was told I couldn't have the 24hr tramit�, due to the lack of this stamp. Returning to the other desk, I was told that there would be a fine.

A FINE FOR THE IMCOMPETENCE OF A PEN***O IMMIGRATION AGENT!!!

I will have an audience in INM next week to try and sort this out, as I will be travelling to Canada in early May, and I need my FM2. But my point is "How the f*** are you supposed to know if nobody tells you?"

And please, I don't want anyone righteously posting the rules, and telling me that I should know, as this is meant as a warning for anyone else as naive as I am.
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dixie



Joined: 23 Apr 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nearly happened to me as well. I was travelling with someone who knew though, so I was veered off track, and had it done.
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MO39



Joined: 28 Jan 2004
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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last time I was at the D.F. airport, I think I saw the place where you have to get your FM2/3 stamped when leaving the country, and it was not in an obvious place. Thanks for pointing this out, Phil_K, so I won't make the same mistake the next time I leave Mexico.
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TheLongWayHome



Joined: 07 Jun 2006
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Location: San Luis Piojosi

PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers for the heads up, Phil. Sorry you had to find out the hard way. BTW, what's the maximum amount of time you can be out of Mexico on an FM2?
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veroax



Joined: 31 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happened to me the first time I left Mexico with my FM3. I didn't know anything about this until I got back and they asked me why I hadn't gotten the correct stamp when I left. They kindly let it slide though.

From what I've seen in the Mexico City airport, the desk is located just past the security check. But if you weren't looking for it, you'd easily walk right past it.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, what's the maximum amount of time you can be out of Mexico on an FM2?


I really don't know, but I know I checked once and found out it was enough to take a few good vacations per year and nothing to worry about. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us, as I can't be bothered to wade through the INAMI website.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or you can even wind-up leaving the country without ever turning in a FM-T if traveling by bus. The same also happens overland with a FM-2/3. It would be a big problem if you left by bus or car and flew back in. The people of INM aren't always very helpful.

Remember the person that came to Mexico about a year or so ago? He came through the border by bus, and continued on south. Never got stopped or told to get an FM-T. Than he made it to Guadalajara or something and realized he didn't have his papers? His problem, his responsibility. Not INM's.

You always got to stay aware of what is needed and required as a foreigner here.

A friend of mine left the country and failed to turn in his FM-3 because he was finished working? What will happen now? Who knows, but probably nothing because he's going to a different INM office this time.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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His problem, his responsibility. Not INM's.

You always got to stay aware of what is needed and required as a foreigner here.


And be clairvoyant? Thanks Prof., but I said I didn't want to hear it!
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Samantha



Joined: 25 Oct 2003
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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BTW, what's the maximum amount of time you can be out of Mexico on an FM2?



On an FM2, the time you can be outside of Mexico is 18 months of the 5 year period.
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MikeySaid



Joined: 10 Nov 2004
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Prof.Gringo wrote:
Or you can even wind-up leaving the country without ever turning in a FM-T if traveling by bus. The same also happens overland with a FM-2/3. It would be a big problem if you left by bus or car and flew back in. The people of INM aren't always very helpful.


The opposite actually happened to a girl I worked with. She returned by ground and as far as immigration was concerned she had never come back. They wouldn't let her leave on the flight she was scheduled for and she ended up leaving again by bus because at that point she just wanted out.

I left and came back both by bus and there was no record I had ever left. I was stupid and thought of it as "I have a work Visa, I should be able to come and go as I please, not my fault if nobody asks for it at the border." Thankfully, nobody cared.
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samantha wrote:
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BTW, what's the maximum amount of time you can be out of Mexico on an FM2?



On an FM2, the time you can be outside of Mexico is 18 months of the 5 year period.

Thank you Samantha.
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
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His problem, his responsibility. Not INM's.

You always got to stay aware of what is needed and required as a foreigner here.


And be clairvoyant? Thanks Prof., but I said I didn't want to hear it!


I don't have any special powers, Shocked but I never went through the airport with a FM-3 and failed to get it stamped. The counter is there. There are more than one of them. They say it's only for people holding an FM-2/3. I saw/figured out what I had to do, especially since there is an obvious place in the FM-3 for exit and arrival stamps, maybe that's why it looks like a passport and not a regular ID card...
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GueroPaz



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I finally got my FM2 or FM3 in 2000 (thank you, Vicente y Martha Smile), I was warned to get it stamped if I exited the republic. Leaving Cancun for Miami, I had to walk the wrong way through the queue of folks arriving from the exterior to find an officer who would stamp it, and she needed to be told by a senior officer. I cannot recall who warned me, maybe the district commissioner or assistant regional cmnr. Nobody else knew, but I was the only team member with such a status.
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jillford64



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know for an FM2, but for an FM3 you have to get your FM3 stamped and fill out a Forma Rosa and get it stamped too. The immigration office never mentioned this. I only knew to ask what the procedure was for coming and going because I had read something about needing to get the Forma Rosa here on Dave's.

Speaking of not having to give up your FMT when you leave the country: Twice since they started giving out 180 days automatically, I have flown into and out of Mexico from the US in a small private airplane. Both times upon leaving the country (once from Cuidad Obregon, Sonora and the other from San Filipe, Baja California Norte), we were told that we didn't have to give back our FMTs because they were still good for the full 180 days. Presumably, I could just use the same FMT if I returned to Mexico before it expired?? I can't imagine that the regular airlines have stopped collecting FMTs.

I didn't turn in my FM3 when I left Mexico either. If a person were to return to Mexico and apply for another FM3 from the same office, would this be a problem? Could you just renew the expired one?


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Samantha



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jillford wrote:
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I didn't turn in my FM3 when I left Mexico either. I may want to head back to Morelia next year. Does anyone know if this will be a problem when I apply for another FM3? Or can I just get the expired one renewed?


Do you know if your school cancelled your FM3's work endorsement from their end? The rule is 30 days to change your status on the FM3 or surrender it if it's no longer valid. You could face some pretty steep fines if you present your old one. I'm not sure I would go that route (of course depending on the time it's been expired and if you are going back to your same employer or not). I had a friend just get levied a 5000.00 peso fine and confiscation of the booklet, under much the same circumstance (presenting a long expired FM3 when entering Mexico) , but the actual calculation was far more than that.
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