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sonsang



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 5:35 pm    Post subject: Private Work In Japan Reply with quote

I know that some of the bigger companies in Japan state in their contracts that their teachers must work exclusively for them, so my question is, has anyone in GEOS, AEON, NOVA, ECC, etc. actually been fired for doing private work? Is it something foreign teachers really need to worry about? Do any companies allow their teachers to do private work?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Private Work In Japan Reply with quote

sonsang wrote:
I know that some of the bigger companies in Japan state in their contracts that their teachers must work exclusively for them, so my question is, has anyone in GEOS, AEON, NOVA, ECC, etc. actually been fired for doing private work? Is it something foreign teachers really need to worry about? Do any companies allow their teachers to do private work?


Songsang

they put that in the contract to prevent you poaching your students from your employer and teqaching them outside the company.

Teaching Privates in Japan is not illegal and not a firing offence.

What you do in your own time outside work hours is YOUR business, and your employer can not tell you who you can see or what you can do on your own time, unless they are complete control freaks who monitor every minute of your day.

FWIW when i was teaching at a conversation school I taught at companies in the evenings and one day a week at a university and had the odd private.

If NOVA or GEOS asks about privates tell them its none of their business.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it's in the contract, abide by it. Complain all you want later, but if you sign on the dotted line, you commit yourself to whatever conditions are in the contract.

Some of those big 4 outfits have branches with managers that look the other way, and some have managers that use co-workers as spies to keep tabs on your social comings and goings (including private lessons, or even perceived ones). Rather than just jump into the fray of teaching privately when you first begin working, I'd say hold back, gain the confidence of students and staff, and discreetly find out what other teachers are doing (or allowed to do).
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avahanian



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
If it's in the contract, abide by it. Complain all you want later, but if you sign on the dotted line, you commit yourself to whatever conditions are in the contract.

Some of those big 4 outfits have branches with managers that look the other way, and some have managers that use co-workers as spies to keep tabs on your social comings and goings (including private lessons, or even perceived ones). Rather than just jump into the fray of teaching privately when you first begin working, I'd say hold back, gain the confidence of students and staff, and discreetly find out what other teachers are doing (or allowed to do).


Hi Glenski,

That's very clever, a brilliant way to go about it, IMO.

I've heard that one can make anywhere from 2000-3000 yen per hour teaching privates, is this true?

Also, how easy is it to get private lessons (let's assume the teacher is very sociable)?
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="avahanian"]
Glenski wrote:

I've heard that one can make anywhere from 2000-3000 yen per hour teaching privates, is this true?

Also, how easy is it to get private lessons (let's assume the teacher is very sociable)?


I can only speak from my experience as I teach four privates as well as my college classes. For an individual lesson I charge 3,000 yen an hour, while rates per student will go down depending on size of a group lesson. More students, less per student. For a group of 5 -6 students you could make up to 10,000 yen per hour.

Sociability counts, as well as knowing what the student wants, being able to provide a quality lesson, your 'professionalism' at teaching, and being able to market yourself. I have recently helped someone produce a flyer in Japanese to get private students- if you charge reasonable rates, live locally or are willing to travel, be available at times students want and you are easy going you shouldnt have any problems getting students.
Maybe you can provide a cheap or a free demo lesson. I teach my students in a local coffee shop.
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Gordon



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife and I make anywhere between 3-10,000 hour for a group or individual student. Always take into account the travel time and costs. Sometimes we have students come to our house, it makes it really convenient as we share a car. It does take awhile to get students as the Japanese don't exactly knock down your door asking you to teach them English.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2000-3000 yen per hour isn't clear enough, Arin. Sorry.

Per person, that's a fairly average figure, although as you can see from others here, you can make more. Depends on location, age of students, and the number you teach at once. I make 4000-5000 yen per individual student. I use a sliding scale as Paul referred to, so that my groups give me more money, but each student pays less as the group grows. (I also insist that the group chooses new entries, not me, although I hold veto power.) In some cases I have struck up a deal with people to make more than the above. And, as Paul mentioned, I add transportation costs to this, whenever possible. (Young students often can hardly afford the regular lessons!) There are other hidden benefits, as well, such as getting free coffee/tea in the cafes or students' homes, getting/giving omiyage when someone goes on a trip, getting New Year cards, being asked to go places where English learning is not a hidden motive, etc.

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Also, how easy is it to get private lessons (let's assume the teacher is very sociable)?

This is a hard thing to quantify, too, no matter how sociable one is. In the bigger cities, you may have more opportunities to find such lessons just because of the bigger population, but in smaller towns, people may know you better or have better networking. Being sociable helps, yes. Most teachers that I know get their start by pirating their old eikaiwa classes, then go by word of mouth from there. Sometimes classes that break up offer to find replacement students! Recently, there have sprung up a few web sites that allow you to advertise your teaching services. Most are around Tokyo. Nobody ever answered my ads for Sapporo, anyway. However, unless those are very fortunate circumstances, I would have to say that a newbie with no contacts should expect it to take a few months before he/she finds a handful of steady paying customers.

Remember, private lessons are unstable for several reasons.
1. Younger students don't have the money to continue.
2. People are fickle in general.
3. Newbie teachers just aren't as good at teaching (in general).
4. Japanese often treat learning English as a hobby, so they lose interest in paying for it after a while.
5. Some housewives have to quit when their husbands get transferred, and this can take place every 2-3 years.
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