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Glenski
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| dove wrote: |
| Actually, I think some of the big eikaiwa schools discourage private lessons. They would rather fill the time slot with 6 paying students than with one (even though that private lesson student is paying through the nose). |
I think you are misunderstanding some terminology here.
GABA only offers one on one lessons to its clients. In effect, they are private lessons.
However, people all over Japan moonlight and do their own private lessons, whether they are individual or group lessons. Those are the ones that various eikaiwa try to discourage. They don't want people stealing business away from them (especially if the private lessons came from the current customer list). |
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dove
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I meant that some eikaiwa schools discourage their own students from taking private lessons at the school. In fact, at the school where I worked, students could only take private lessons before 6pm. It's much more profitable to put six students in a time slot, than one student (even though that student is probably paying about 10,000 yen ). I wasn't talking about eikaiwas discouraging teachers from teaching privates outside the school. |
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BobbyBan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yawarakaijin wrote: |
Was just checking out their site. On the pay scale they indicate it is possible to make 3,300 yen per lesson. Just from my own experience, I found it pretty difficult, even in tokyo, to find anyone willing to pay over 3,000 yen for a private lesson. If this 3,300 yen rate per 40 minute lesson is true, and they can get you a certain amount of classes every month, it doesn't seem so bad. I'm surprised we haven't had any current Gaba teachers pipe up on the matter.
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Looking at the advert on gainjinpot the payscale appears to be very misleading. I don't think they are offering 3300 yen per 40 minute lesson.
Here's why, the advert specifically says "2250 - 3300/Hour. Based on 40 minute lessons." This means that those starting on 1500 will get 2250 per hour if we accept that there are one and a half lessons per hour (1500x1.5=2250 and the lessons at the higher end of the payscale, 2200x1.5=3300).
This conveniently forgets the fact that there are five minutes unpaid between each lesson making the real per hourly rate between 1,875-2750.
2750 may still sound fairly good as eikaiwa goes but remember that you are only paid by the lesson and not by the hour. |
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BobbyBan
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| However, people all over Japan moonlight and do their own private lessons, whether they are individual or group lessons. Those are the ones that various eikaiwa try to discourage. They don't want people stealing business away from them (especially if the private lessons came from the current customer list). |
GABA does at least allow this. They don't really have much choice though as many GABA teachers will have to find work elsewhere to support themselves and the teachers who work for them are sub-contractors, not employees.
I believe that the union is not particularly happy with GABA as it makes certain demands on its sub-contractors which are apparently illegal while not providing other benefits applicable to authentic employees. |
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Apsara
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BobbyBan is right, 2200 is the max per lesson. They advertise it as 3300 yen per hour as that is what it works out to if you are teaching back to back 40-minute lessons.
Realistically it would take at least a year to get to the 2200 yen per lesson, and probably longer, although there are incentives if you teach over a certain number of lessons a month- a kind of bonus on a sliding scale, and also for doing "First Meetings"- demo lessons for prospective students. If the student signs up you get paid double for that lesson, I can't remember how that works exactly. Doing First Meetings is entirely voluntary and they train you first.
You have to take various training "modules" to get the normal lesson pay increases and you have to work there at least 3 months to be eligible for the first pay rise I believe. |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| BobbyBan wrote: |
| I believe that the union is not particularly happy with GABA as it makes certain demands on its sub-contractors which are apparently illegal while not providing other benefits applicable to authentic employees. |
A word to the wise: those "subcontractors" are actually teachers = employees. To call them subcontractors, as many dispatch agencies do, is doing them an injustice, mostly because it puts them out of bounds of various rights and benefits they deserve. |
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BobbyBan
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Glenski wrote: |
| BobbyBan wrote: |
| I believe that the union is not particularly happy with GABA as it makes certain demands on its sub-contractors which are apparently illegal while not providing other benefits applicable to authentic employees. |
A word to the wise: those "subcontractors" are actually teachers = employees. To call them subcontractors, as many dispatch agencies do, is doing them an injustice, mostly because it puts them out of bounds of various rights and benefits they deserve. |
I believe that GABA actually use the very words that refer to subcontractors on their contracts. This is why the unions aren't happy, they sign on as subcontractors and then are bound to certain things that only employees are and yet are denied some of the very benefits. I will get back to you on this when I can be more specific. |
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