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The Different 'Hoods of Abu Dhabi
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sorry, just to follow-up on this, I was talking about with employers that provide housing...I wouldn't touch the numbers I listed if I had to find my own place...also keep in mind if your employer provides housing it is within (or about) the amount of you housing allowance. Even employers that provide housing still have some of their employees paying a "top-up" amount... (Still better than finding your own)


Well, one potential employer will provide assistance in finding a place. The other potential employer will provide the actual accommodation-no topping up or anything like that. Do employers that provide the accommodation themselves actually tell you how much they paid?
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turtlepi1



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mishmumkin wrote:
Well, one potential employer will provide assistance in finding a place. The other potential employer will provide the actual accommodation-no topping up or anything like that. Do employers that provide the accommodation themselves actually tell you how much they paid?


Don't worry you will enjoy it here...It is just that housing is a really hot-button topic in the city...You will get sorted, even if it takes awhile.

The places that take care of your housing, HCT, ZU, etc generally don't tell you your rent but it isn't a secret either. I actually think as of late our information portal might even show you rent. The only time they will tell you is if it ventures too far over. And then they will find you new accomm. within the price cap or give you the option to top-up.
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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that HCT places their new teachers in accommodation the first year, but how much is the allowance should someone decide to seek out their own flat? Just trying to compare it to my own offer. Thanks!
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veralynn



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to add my two penny's worth:
Agree that there's no point worrying about which area to move to as you will just have to see what is available once you are here.
Disagree that you shouldn't take a job if you have to find your own accommodation. Yes, it can be tough, but I honestly don't think it's so bad that you shouldn't come at all!
120k will get you a decent 1-bed, poss a 2-bed.
Assuming your two offers are similar roles I'd go for the job with the bigger salary. If the salary's better, chances are that the whole package/job etc will be too.
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carlen



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mishmumkin



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

carlen wrote:
I looked for a place last August, an absolute nightmare. what I ended up doing is looking at some of the villas they are cutting up into studio flats. in the end they combined two studios for me, i had a 2 bed with a little outside area that I absolutely adore and it cost me 115000. It is out on airport road which is a short taxi ride out of town but I am in the middle of a leafy suburb. which I also adore. The set up wouldn't suit everyone but it's something to consider.

But watching what others have gone through, the nightmare is only getting worse. If your employer offers accomadation, take it, it's far easier than looking for your own.

How long did it take after arriving to get your place?
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carlen



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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housecat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Holey Moley! Just doing a little conversion showes that 120,000 is the same as the starting salary of a new teacher in Arkansas! Anyway, I obviously can't help you Mismumkin, but wanted to say contrats on you offers. I've still got a year before I'm ready to go and I can only hope that things will be a little easier by then.
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tmac-100



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:09 pm    Post subject: Pay.. Reply with quote

housecat wrote:
Holey Moley! Just doing a little conversion showes that 120,000 is the same as the starting salary of a new teacher in Arkansas! ....

Does the Arkansas pay include medical insurance, airfare to place of hiring, and rental of "suitable" accommodation??

Or is that figure you mentioned equal to the gross pay and not take home (aka taxes and everything else are NOT included).

Just wondering...
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housecat



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Pay.. Reply with quote

[quote="tmac-100"][quote="housecat"]Holey Moley! Just doing a little conversion showes that 120,000 is the same as the starting salary of a new teacher in Arkansas! ....[/quote]
Does the Arkansas pay include medical insurance, airfare to place of hiring, and rental of "suitable" accommodation??

Or is that figure you mentioned equal to the gross pay and not take home (aka taxes and everything else are NOT included).

Just wondering...[/quote]

That figure includes nothing. That's gross anual pay--health insurance, rent or house payment, taxes, any airfare (which might be odd in Arkansas anyway), would come out of that pay. And so I was just kinda freaking out that in AD that only just pays the rent on a fairly nice one bedroom flat. Wow!
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tmac-100



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 4:25 am    Post subject: Re: Pay.. Reply with quote

housecat wrote:
That figure includes nothing. That's gross anual pay--health insurance, rent or house payment, taxes, any airfare (which might be odd in Arkansas anyway), would come out of that pay. And so I was just kinda freaking out that in AD that only just pays the rent on a fairly nice one bedroom flat. Wow!


Your comment reminds me why I did not retire from my teaching job in Canada and move to the southern USA (where there is no snow) to teach - pitiful pay, and no support system at all. Just an example of how the "food chain" works..

It also reminds me why I am here in RAK - and happy with HCT Smile I am well treated here with a very nice 2000 sq ft unit in a nice quiet part of "suburbia" - and with a nice pool that some kids throw sand, etc into - but that has to do with parental supervision (or lack of) rather than infrastructure stuff Wink I am told that rent for my unit is 68000/year - but I have no verification on that figure..
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adorabilly



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:08 am    Post subject: Inflation Reply with quote

So it was mentioned earlier about the runaway inflation that is currently gripping the UAE.

Khalleej Times just ran a full page set of articles on the inflation. As of last year inflation was at 9%, and the UAE government is expecting it to rise up to about 15% in this coming year.

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2008/May/theuae_May34.xml&section=theuae&col=

The set of articles looked at food prices, housing increases (in some places up to 40% higher than last year) and the rising education costs.

My favorite quote so far
"Dh1,500 meant comfortable grocery shopping for a month for a medium-sized family." I'm not sure when this is supposed to be talking about. Since we arrived, i have managed to hold our grocery shopping to about 2250 to 2400 durham a month (there are 5 of us, I would count that as a "medium-sized" family). I go to the local fresh fruit and veggie markets, I buy what is on sale. So I'm not sure when they are talking about 1,500 a month being comfortable... maybe in 2003?
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egyptfan



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But surely with all the building that is going on, prices should come down in a year or two, as more accommodation comes online. I'm not in AD, but it looks as though it's a demand / supply thing which should sort itself out once many of the big projects are finished. How long this will take is another question!
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carlen



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The odd thing was that in the mid-late 90's in Abu Dhabi, they were so overbuilt - and still building frantically - that the occupancy rate in flats was dropping from 70% down to about 60%.

Of course in the reality of the way the rental system was run by the Al-Khalifa foundation, the oil company was 'renting' all the empty flats so that the landlords didn't lose any money. It makes me wonder how many flats are 'rented' but sitting empty. There used to be many apartment blocks that if you paid attention... very few flats ever had lights at night.

I hate to be cynical, but I suspect that Abu Dhabi has a fictional shortage intended to jack up the rents to Dubai standards because the AD landlords were jealous. Not that there is anything we can do about it... but merely have to suffer the consequences.

VS
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