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sarahlovesspanish



Joined: 25 May 2008
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PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: HELP NEEDED EVERYONE! Reply with quote

I'm not sure where to start but here goes...

I have just finished my A-Levels and I have chosen to have a Gap Year before starting my language degree in London. Although I'm studying Spanish and French, I intend to spend the year (or most of the year) working in Spain.
And, although I'm sure I will have a fantastic experience wherever I go in Spain, my prefered city would be Sevilla, simply because I have always wanted to go there, and all of my Spanish friends have told me how fantastic it is!
I have considered working as an AuPair, doing a TEFL (or equivalent) qualification and then teaching English, and more recently just doing bar/restaurant work.

I have a very large list of questions and I'd really appreciate anyones' help/advise/answers:

1. Is it worth doing a TEFL qualification? - are they legit? Would I actually get work? etc etc
IF SO:
2. What should I be paying to do one? Is �900-1000 normal?
3. Should I do it in England or Spain? I have been accepted on a few TEFL courses in Spain, would this be wise?


IF TEFL COURSE NOT WORTH DOING:
4. How does one go about getting a bar or waitressing job in Spain?
5. Is it true that bar/restaurant staff are often exploited in Spain?
6. My level of Spanish (written, spoken etc) is fairly high - I am expected to get a grade A on results Day, and having quite a few Spanish friends I have been to Spain a fair bit which has improved fluency etc. But I am not fluent...would this make it more difficult for me to get a job? (NB If I am there for a period of time, I could become near fluent/fluent - this would be my aim).


ALSO:
7. How do I go about getting shared accommodation with people? Many renting a double room in a flat or something similar!?


All other suggestions about what job I could do or any advice/tips etc all v.welcome ! Very Happy
Thank you to everyone who has taken the time to read this Smile

Sarah
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rocketchild



Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 7:27 am    Post subject: do English Summer Schools Reply with quote

wow, great questions
here is the best and most accurate answer


yes you NEED a TEFL certificate.
once you have it, you can work anywhere in the world you are willing to travel to. Its rather an amazing lifestyle !
shop around.
where you do it isn't relevant.
it has more to do with what you can afford in terms of rent/food/course/
everyone gets accepted into courses...pretty much..

don't work as an aupair..that sucks and pays shit. you will quit very quickly for sure.

and when you are ready to work.....(you might try now w/o a qualification, they often need summer camp monitors for sports etc)

go for ENGLISH summer school work

pays wayyyy better than espana, and they need teachers right now.
besides they usually offer free accomodation and you will save.

by the end of the summer you will have a solid reference and money in your pocket.

in Spain, you could try the summer camps but w/o experience you wont make much or even get hired.

good luck
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workingnomad



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If money is an issue then you could do the TEFL course in Eastern Europe.

Somewhere like Prague would be �400 cheaper than Spain for the course and living costs are cheaper.

Then you could head over to Spain with the qualification...

...and land a nice teaching job in September or October
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sarahlovesspanish



Joined: 25 May 2008
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The problem is I'm on holiday until the 2nd half of July, so working in a summer school won't be a possibility Sad
The one that looks pretty good is www.teflcourse.net (the one thats in Sevilla). I've been warned that some of them aren't legit, is this one?
As an 18 year old would I struggle to get teaching jobs?
Thank you so much for your advice both of you
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sarahlovesspanish



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

workingnomad wrote:
If money is an issue then you could do the TEFL course in Eastern Europe.

Somewhere like Prague would be �400 cheaper than Spain for the course and living costs are cheaper.

Then you could head over to Spain with the qualification...

...and land a nice teaching job in September or October


That's a great idea....could you recommend a particular course there?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your age will be a handicap. Language schools work hard to establish contracts with businsses and rely on teachers who look and behave like professionals who can make good impressions on their cleints, and who will be reliable and responsible as they work with them.

You may be seen as less reliable because of your age, and you will need to dress and behave in ways that will impress potential employers and their students with your professional attitude.

I am not implying that you are not responsible and reliable, of course, just noting that it is a common perception of people in your age group by others.
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sarahlovesspanish



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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:
Your age will be a handicap. Language schools work hard to establish contracts with businsses and rely on teachers who look and behave like professionals who can make good impressions on their cleints, and who will be reliable and responsible as they work with them.

You may be seen as less reliable because of your age, and you will need to dress and behave in ways that will impress potential employers and their students with your professional attitude.

I am not implying that you are not responsible and reliable, of course, just noting that it is a common perception of people in your age group by others.


Laughing No offence taken Laughing

Well I have had a fair bit of work experience, but I don't know if any of it would be helpful in an application to teaching. Advice would be appreciated (once again Very Happy )

- The most relevant experience I've had is working in a number of primary schools as a classroom assistant.
And then less relevant to teaching...
-At 13 I worked for Avon running all of my area in sheffield which involved promoting the company, delivering catelogues and products, and handling thousands of pounds cash - I really hope this shows I'm resonsible lol Exclamation
-I've also worked as a lunchtime supervisor in my school, as a shop assistant (again handling money), as waitress/cashier and babysitter.

Any of this stuff useful? Question ?
What about academic achievement? Is that ever relevant?

Hope your not getting tired of all my questions Smile
cheers
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Marcoregano



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 1:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your age and no degree - not wishing to be negative, but for most language schools these will be major issues. Working as an au pair might be more realistic, and once there, you might be able to find p/t private tuition work, or better perhaps, a local language school that might take you on to do conversation classes etc.
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sarahlovesspanish



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is working in hospitality a realistic route to go down? or perhaps tourism or administration...?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if you've got local language skills. How's your Spanish?

Even if it's very strong, you would most likely find only the lowest-level positions open to you - the kinds of jobs that educated Spanish adults don't want to do. Or under-the-table work...

I think the suggestion about being an au pair is probably the most realistic in your case. Alternatively, consider finishing your university degree before you take off.

Remember never to go abroad without enough financial cushion to tide you over, as well. A little bad luck can go a long way when you are in a strange country. Don't do it on a financial shoestring~
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sarahlovesspanish



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do have a strong level of spanish.
Yes I see your point. I think my age could be exploited too?

I'm going to see if I can get anything from my connections in Spain. If all else fails being an AuPair wouldn't be too bad as you don't have to pay for accommodation or food.
Any other suggestions still very welcome.
Quite a few TEFL courses say that although being young doesn't help, it's not necessarily a barrier...do you all disagree?
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mdk



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you haven't finished your degree perhaps you might consider an exchange course through your university.

Seville and Valencia are crawling with people doing such courses. My first choice in a Spanish University would be Salamanca but any of them should provide with you with a valuable experience - as well as networking contacts in Spain for when you do leave school.

Such a course of action would put you miles and miles ahead of the 4 week TEFL course I took in Barcelona. No cabe duda.
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jonniboy



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sarahlovesspanish wrote:
e a few TEFL courses say that although being young doesn't help, it's not necessarily a barrier...do you all disagree?


I'm afraid I do. I've been teaching for five years and have yet to meet a teacher younger than 22.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sarahlovesspanish wrote:


Quite a few TEFL courses say that although being young doesn't help, it's not necessarily a barrier...do you all disagree?[/b]


Some TEFL courses will say anything to get you to sign up!
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sarahlovesspanish



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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a shame, I would have really enjoyed it!
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