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SeasonedVet
Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 236 Location: Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: Grammar Question |
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The following were two of four suggested answers on a test paper. You have to choose one answer. Which one is correct?
Complete the sentence:
I will never forget
b) meeting him
c) having met him |
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Ryu Hayabusa

Joined: 08 Jan 2008 Posts: 182
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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"I will never forget having met him."
That seems correct to me. |
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Mapleblondie
Joined: 29 May 2008 Posts: 93 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: |
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I definitely agree...I think that the progressive past tense (I think that's what it's called) should be used when talking about something that happened in the past, whereas "meeting him" refers more to the present. |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 3:48 am Post subject: Re: Grammar Question |
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SeasonedVet wrote: |
The following were two of four suggested answers on a test paper. You have to choose one answer. Which one is correct?
Complete the sentence:
I will never forget
b) meeting him
c) having met him |
Oh, God! Here it comes...!
NCTBA |
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BobbyBan

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 201
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:35 am Post subject: |
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Try susbtituting the sentence.
I went to a karaoke box and sang "Yesterday".
b) I will never forget singing "Yesterday" in front of all those people.
or
c) I will never forget having sung "Yesterday" in front of all those people.
I think b) sounds better. How was the question worded? Choose the most appropriate answer? If so, then b) gets my vote.
In terms of frequency of use, Google seems to agree with me as b) shows up 222 results and c) shows up 3 (including this thread). Not completely scientific and I don't have a very good explanation for why b) is better than c) but there you go. |
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markle
Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Posts: 1316 Location: Out of Japan
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Both seem correct to me depending on the context.
b) is about the present; while c) is about something that happened in the past.
Really as a sentence fragment there is no way of telling which is 'correct'. |
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chechevitsa
Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'd guess that they're looking for c); I think the "error" would be that "I will never forget meeting him" implies that it was the whole process of your introduction that you remember, whereas the fact of having met him is more accurately what people remember.
in short, "meeting him" refers to a (past) ongoing situation, while "having met him" refers to the completed event. while both are probably acceptable to most native speakers in a natural context, I think the second is more likely to pass grammarians' tests. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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I'd say they're both a bit crap. You can remember people generally, or specific, memorable occassions (I'll never forget the day we first met/meeting him after work each day and strolling back through the park), but there's nothing "remarkable" about just 'meeting him' or 'having met him'. But hey, if we're going to continue looking at fragments, then I might as well throw in this to help confuse matters:
1. I'll never forget meeting him.
2. I'll never forget, having met him, blah blah blah ( > I'll never forget (having met him) blah blah blah ( > 1. > The expanded contexts in my opening para above)).
That is, 'meeting him' appears to be more "required", but 'having met him' could well be incidental (and would probably be assumed/not "repeatedly" stated anyway in ongoing discourse). |
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chechevitsa
Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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what if it's a celebrity? then the fact of meeting him might be the most memorable thing about the experience (and not necessarily connected to a continued acquaintance). |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed

Joined: 22 Oct 2004 Posts: 3500 Location: Shhh...don't talk to me...I'm playin' dead...
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ahhggg!!!
NCTBA |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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chechevitsa wrote: |
what if it's a celebrity? then the fact of meeting him might be the most memorable thing about the experience (and not necessarily connected to a continued acquaintance). |
Unless the celebrity has arranged to meet (and how often does that happen!), it's probably more a case of you just seeing (i.e. catching a glimpse) of him or her (and him or her remaining unaware of your existence). |
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Kootvela

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 513 Location: Lithuania
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:17 am Post subject: |
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Both are correct. |
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fluffyhamster
Joined: 13 Mar 2005 Posts: 3292 Location: UK > China > Japan > UK again
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 11:46 am Post subject: |
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Kootvela wrote: |
Both are correct. |
Yes. It would be hard to choose one over the other in a decontextualized test. |
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BobbyBan

Joined: 05 Feb 2008 Posts: 201
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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fluffyhamster wrote: |
Kootvela wrote: |
Both are correct. |
Yes. It would be hard to choose one over the other in a decontextualized test. |
Certainly, that is why I asked Seasoned Vet if he/she wouldn't mind posting the wording of the question.
Another idea is to put this up on the "General Discussion" forum and see what a wider audience can make of it.
Seasoned Vet, I don't know a lot about the etiquette on these things but would you mind posting back to show that you haven't forgotten all about us. It would be nice, I think. |
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chechevitsa
Joined: 17 Oct 2005 Posts: 22
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Posted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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fluffyhamster wrote: |
Unless the celebrity has arranged to meet (and how often does that happen!), it's probably more a case of you just seeing (i.e. catching a glimpse) of him or her (and him or her remaining unaware of your existence). |
what about book signings, or musicians who really make time for fan autographs? "celebrity" doesn't only mean actor/socialite, does it? I'll never forget having met Billy Bragg, for example. of course, when I went to type out that sentence, what wanted to spill off my fingers was definitely "I'll never forget meeting him." but then my spoken language is riddled with so-called errors... |
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