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bule_boy69



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 3:26 am    Post subject: Westgate Visa process Reply with quote

Hi all...

I have heard that a work visa takes a long time to process but I'd like to know from people who have gone recently how long - especially if you went with Westgate.

I've been offered a position starting towards the end of Sept, but I don't really wanna hang here until then.

I was thinking of doing some traveling in SE Asia on the way to Japan - although I understand that Westgate have a very picky policy on paying for flights in such cases. Even so, I'm keen to get going.....

So how long after i return the contract do I have to hang around in this country before I can get going?

thanks guys
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 6:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have to figure that most employers who recruit from overseas are going to have their own timeline in accord with the average processing time for visas. Figure 3-4 months after you are hired.

You seem to be in a hurry. What's the rush? Places like Westgate have their own schedules and they often announce what they are (or are willing to describe them, if asked).
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bule_boy69



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks

the hurry is that I'm keen to get outa town. Accommodation hassles, winter blues, itchy feet, urge to get back to Southeast Asia mostly. Don't want to hang around here in Melbourne until the end of September.

Surely it can't take that long...I only narrowly missed out on goin with them for the last intake. They were advertising almost up to the start date, so i'm guessing it doesn't HAVE to take months.

If any recent Westgaters could tell me a bit about their experience regarding the visa process I'd appreciate it.

Also I'd like to ask....

Is the COE a paper document that needs to be posted to me or can it be sent electronically?

Once I have it...can I request the visa from a consulate in any country eg: Indonesia/Thailand?

Cheers
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Sef



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the COE is a piece of paper that will be posted to you. I was sent mine about 6 weeks before my start date (I'm Westgate-ing at the moment) and they sent it to Moscow which is where I was. I was going travelling so didn't do anything with it, although I could've got it from the embassy in Moscow, and when I got back to UK I did all my visa stuff in London and it took 3 days. That was only about one week before I left for Japan (I did e-mail Westgate and explain it was going to be a bit last minute.)
Hope that helps.
S
Very Happy
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benben999



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi bule_boy69,

Congrats on being accepted by Westgate. On June 10th I was placed on their waiting list for the University and E-Learning program and I'm not sure if/when I'm going to get the call. So out of curiousity when did you complete your application? When were you accepted? Were you on a waiting list first, and if so, for how long? Many thanks

Ben
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bule_boy69



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

benben999

I'm doin the Uni program so maybe it's different dunno. I actually wanted to go in May ( to miss out on Melbourne's winter) but didn't quite get in on time. So they asked if I'd be up for work in the 'fall term'. But that has meant hanging here a lot longer than planned and I am keen to get going.

Downer really... I gather they wont pay towards a flight that originates in another country, eventhough it would be cheaper for them to pay for a ticket from Southeast Asia - so if i wanna go early I'm going to have to pay my own way.

Goodluck.


Sef

Yeah cheers...kinda helpful. So the COE can be picked up from a Japanese consulate? and you are sure you could've got your visa sorted in Moscow? Did the consulate there say that? I have asked Westgate if it's possible and they said 'maybe'. I guess next step Japanese consulates in Southeast Asia.

Anyone here have experience of requesting a Japanese work visa in KL/jakarta? Or anywhere outside their normal country of residence for that matter.

What date do they put on it? I've been told it's a 23rd dec start - can I turn up early?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do your own research about COEs. Westgate said maybe because they don't know that much about countries other than Japan (if even that).

The date they put on your COE is meaningless, other than the fact that you have a time limit to use it (3 months?). The real important date is when you come to Japan and exchange it for a work visa. From then you have 1 or 3 years. Can you come early? Sure, but you'll only have to renew before the 12 months is up, if you have a 1-year visa. If you are thinking of coming many weeks early just to sightsee, don't.

Westgate reimburses for your flight by paying you back in 2 installments, according to what other people report. Why would it matter where you originate?
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bule_boy69



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
The real important date is when you come to Japan and exchange it (COE) for a work visa.



Isn't this done outside japan?


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Westgate reimburses for your flight by paying you back in 2 installments, according to what other people report. Why would it matter where you originate?



Because according to their website, they only pay for return tickets from the airport closest to your usual residence. It also says that they wont pay for any itinerary including a stopover. I think this is pretty mean, what's it to them if I take the opportunity to have a stopover? Obviously it's more expensive, but there is no way their maximum payout of US$1000 is gonna cover a return from Melbourne to Tokyo anyway, so it would be me that pays extra to stop, not them.

I am thinking of leaving Australia at the end of July, organising my visa in KL or Jakarta and then turning up in Japan a bit before the job starts.

I assumed this would mean I'd have to pay for my own flights. But if anyone knows differently I'd be happy to hear otherwise.

Thanks for your posting Glenski.
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reasonJP



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to bump this old thread, but I've got a quick question and couldn't find any answers on a search.
I've heard that if you have a professor visa, like the type westgate sponsors, and want to do other work over holiday periods between contracts, you may need a special letter of permission from the employer and a work permit from immigration to do so. Is that true? Are Westgate et al typically accomodating with such requests? And does it only apply to Eikaiwa work (as they typically hire specialist in humanities people)?
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've heard that if you have a professor visa, like the type westgate sponsors, and want to do other work over holiday periods between contracts, you may need a special letter of permission from the employer and a work permit from immigration to do so. Is that true?
If the work is not covered under the description for a professor visa, yes.

Here is that description:
Activities for research, research guidance, or education as professor, assistant professor, or assistant, etc. at universities, equivalent educational institutions, or technical colleges (koto senmon gakko). http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/04.html

Here is info on the special permission.
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/index.html

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according to their website, they only pay for return tickets from the airport closest to your usual residence. It also says that they wont pay for any itinerary including a stopover. I think this is pretty mean, what's it to them if I take the opportunity to have a stopover?
It's money! Say you want to come from the USA visa London or Jamaica or Italy. Stop over there, enjoy yourself, and then expect your employer to pay for the full ticket? Yeah, right.

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I am thinking of leaving Australia at the end of July, organising my visa in KL or Jakarta and then turning up in Japan a bit before the job starts.
Makes more sense to do the paperwork in your home country instead of a vacation spot. Makes more sense to the employer, too, who doesn't want to foot your vacation in Jakarta or KL. I can easily see his point.

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Glenski wrote:
The real important date is when you come to Japan and exchange it (COE) for a work visa.

bule_boy69:
Isn't this done outside japan?

Not always. But, what I meant was, the important date was when you exchange the COE for a visa and start the clock ticking on your visa period (1 or 3 years).

Considering the age of this thread, it would be nice to hear from you about what actually happened. As the saying goes, "I took the time to answer you; you should take the time to thank me or tell me how things worked out."
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reasonJP



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
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I've heard that if you have a professor visa, like the type westgate sponsors, and want to do other work over holiday periods between contracts, you may need a special letter of permission from the employer and a work permit from immigration to do so. Is that true?
If the work is not covered under the description for a professor visa, yes.

Here is that description:
Activities for research, research guidance, or education as professor, assistant professor, or assistant, etc. at universities, equivalent educational institutions, or technical colleges (koto senmon gakko). http://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/04.html

Here is info on the special permission.
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/english/tetuduki/index.html



Cheers. So I'd have to jump through beaurocratic hoops for every little part time holiday gig? Hnrg.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get used to jumping through hoops in Japan.
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bule_boy69



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's money! Say you want to come from the USA visa London or Jamaica or Italy. Stop over there, enjoy yourself, and then expect your employer to pay for the full ticket? Yeah, right.


If you read my post in more detail you will noticed that i mentioned the price of the ticket will not possibly be under US$1000 which is all they pay. Therefore any possible extra expense - and a stopover does not always incurr extra - will be paid by myself. So i dont appreciate the 'yeah right' bit. Furthermore, their policy is hasslesome. Only using their preferred agent rather than the cheapest quote... no one way tickets. Even if I PAY (ME!) to extend the ticket or stopover AFTER finishing the contract, they want their money back. Explain to me how that's reasonable - because they pay a subsidy they can dictate my plans after fulfilling my contract?

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Considering the age of this thread, it would be nice to hear from you about what actually happened. As the saying goes, "I took the time to answer you; you should take the time to thank me or tell me how things worked out."


I dont have any news...still don't have my visa yet ..they only just contacted me to say that the COE was ready.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A colleague used to work for Westgate, and he got reimbursed for the same max that you cited, so I knew that much money was involved.

My "yeah, right" comment was not about the money itself, but about the fact that people could use a ticket to go somewhere and vacation instead of flying to start work.

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Only using their preferred agent rather than the cheapest quote
Some eikaiwa have this policy, too, I think. Or, they may offer their agent. Even the JET programme says you must fly here at the same time as all the other ALTs. So, this sort of policy is not new.

Round trip ticket instead of one-way is just a cheaper rate. Perhaps they are just trying to ensure that the cost (to you) doesn't go over $1000 that way.

I don't understand this other statement you/they made. Can you explain it better?
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Even if I PAY (ME!) to extend the ticket or stopover AFTER finishing the contract, they want their money back.


So, you got the COE? Cool. Congratulations. The visa is ensured as long as you use the COE within its time frame.
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kteacher



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello

I'm dealing with a similar situation. I realize this thread is old. But incase anyone uses the search and needs this question answered.

I live in KOrea and will be in SE Asia for the 2 months up to my contract. Westgate had no problem with my ticket Bangkok - tokyo, tokyo - home. It did go a bit over 1000$ which i obviously will not be reimbursed for.

I have to get my COE processed in Vietnam and i'm wondering how this will go... anyone actually deal with a Japanese consulate in Vietnam or SE Asia?
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