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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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The good things in life? A car is a liability, not an asset. It's a liability to your wallet, as you noted, a security risk as you noted, and a threat to the environment.
I find it absolutely silly to have a car here in DF. I have a bicycle and and can get to where I need to go faster than you can with either that, or a taxi, or the subway, or the metrobus, or a pesero. Why use the slowest, most dangerous form of transport in owning a car? |
Here, here!! Though I must confess that this comes from someone who hates to drive anywhere and hasn't had a driver's license (or a car) since 1970. The only reason I can fathom having a car in the D.F. is for taking trips outside the city on the weekend. |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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Exactly...I'll rent a car for weekends out of the city when I need it, but in the city? Not a chance. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
Guy Courchesne wrote: |
The good things in life? A car is a liability, not an asset. It's a liability to your wallet, as you noted, a security risk as you noted, and a threat to the environment.
I find it absolutely silly to have a car here in DF. I have a bicycle and and can get to where I need to go faster than you can with either that, or a taxi, or the subway, or the metrobus, or a pesero. Why use the slowest, most dangerous form of transport in owning a car? |
Here, here!! Though I must confess that this comes from someone who hates to drive anywhere and hasn't had a driver's license (or a car) since 1970. The only reason I can fathom having a car in the D.F. is for taking trips outside the city on the weekend. |
Does anybody in Mexico even know what a carpool is? I discussed this idea with students and they said " What's the point of having/driving a car if you have to share it with somebody" Of course I listed all of the advantages of a carpool, but they still seemed to think it's a stupid idea.
To be fair, being stuck in traffic in a car sucks, but to me being stuck in a "pasero" or the Metro when it's crowded, sweltering and smelley is enough to make anyone want to buy a car. Also, you have to worry about pick pockets and all of that great stuff while using public transit...not to mention the buses seem to make mostly "rolling stops" and I feel like a paratrooper jumping out of a plane under enemy fire when I'm only trying to get off the bus safely... |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
Guy Courchesne wrote: |
The good things in life? A car is a liability, not an asset. It's a liability to your wallet, as you noted, a security risk as you noted, and a threat to the environment.
I find it absolutely silly to have a car here in DF. I have a bicycle and and can get to where I need to go faster than you can with either that, or a taxi, or the subway, or the metrobus, or a pesero. Why use the slowest, most dangerous form of transport in owning a car? |
Here, here!! Though I must confess that this comes from someone who hates to drive anywhere and hasn't had a driver's license (or a car) since 1970. The only reason I can fathom having a car in the D.F. is for taking trips outside the city on the weekend. |
It's about personal choice and personal freedom.
As for being slow, I currently go to Villa Verdun twice a week for 8.00 (top of Las Aguilas, nearly where the bridge of Avenida de los Poetas crosses). I arrive fresh and early, while I watch the sardine cans called buses passing by. This scenario is repeated several times in my life. I have driven a car since I was 17 (for 28 years) and it is part of my life. On occasions when it has seemed easier to take the metro, I come back hot and sweaty and need another shower.
As for the environmental issue, I drive a fairly new Chevy C2, which is one of the least thirsty cars on the road, and it is well maintained.
You can dig all you like, but no one is going to change my mind. In England, my life goals were to make a good life for myself, which meant having the things which I could afford that world make my life more comfortable - my own home, a car, security for the future, etc. I am not a 20 something backpacker seeing the world, I don't see why I should live any differently in Mexico. |
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Samantha

Joined: 25 Oct 2003 Posts: 2038 Location: Mexican Riviera
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: Driving in Mexico City |
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So, with the "even/odd license plate" days, what happens? People with cars must carpool or ride public transit on non-driving days unless you all go to work only every second day in el DF?
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geaaronson
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:14 pm Post subject: cars |
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I agree partially with Guy on this one.
I have a vehicle here in Mexico which I have had since 2004. I purchased it in Atlanta, GA. and brought it into the country of July of 2006. I drove it around in Merida but it was not and still is not insured.
I have found driving here in Mexico too arduous, so since it has been here with me in DF for the past 12 months, a drove it for a total of one day, (to SF to teach my classes there) and one night to the International House for a meeting.
Since then it has been sitting in the street in a spot that has no meter. Since then, I have had a construction truck plow into my front fender. I did not catch him, but I am positive it is the truck bringing construction materials for the condominium being built a block away.
Someone slashed my tire 6 months ago, the same night they relieved a classic 1956 pontiac of all its tires. Another night, someone smashed my back passenger window.
At this point the car is not much use to me. Not that it ever was. I was resolved to take public transportation after my first day of driving here in Mexico City.
The car now is up for sale and I have had one interested party with whom I struck too hard a bargain.
Yes, having a car in MX city is a pain in the butt. The traffic is horrendous here, the air pollution verges on the criminal. I am glad I am not polluting. Cars in DF, no way. Let the government double the registration and taxes on vehicles and lets get rid of them. 86% of the people take 14% of the vehicles on the road, 14% of the drivers are hogging 86% of the road. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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In DF, the "day off" is related to the last number on your plate, not odd/even, and this is only mandatory on cars over 8 years old (recently down from 10 years). If your car is newer, and passes the bi-annual verification, you can drive every day. (It has been pointed out recently, that this scheme is unconstitutional BTW, which I tend to agree with). Most people who really need a car usually have a newer one, or buy two cars making sure the regisrations don't coincide!! |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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While the hoy no circula program has been a success that's driven pollution levels way down from the 90's, they are extending it to Saturdays, so I've seen advertised. For the richer folk, it was was a boon to the auto industry in that, yes, people just bought a second car.
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I am not a 20 something backpacker seeing the world, I don't see why I should live any differently in Mexico. |
True, but people in the US, Canada, and the UK are making the same choices in driving less, carpooling, or not driving at all. In fact, you do live differently in Mexico than you would back home, taking advantage of subsidized fuel, lax environmental laws, and a general lack of personal responsibility for the environment.
I'm not a 20-something backpacker either, and the choice to buy a car here would be easy....something in the range of 1,000-2,500 pesos a month makes it too easy. I'm getting preachy on you, I know, but the real choice is not a choice but a cost and one that's all too human. Making the easy choice today and deferring the cost on to your kids in the future. |
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sweeney66
Joined: 26 Mar 2008 Posts: 147 Location: "home"
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Can't imagine owning a car in D.F. The public transport, while not extremely comfortable is cheap and convinent. That being said, I've had the thought that it would be fun to rent a car for a few days and drive around to the places I've never seen |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:53 pm Post subject: Topic Time |
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Back to the topic: Has anybody else seen this happen or is this an isolated thing? |
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Jetgirly

Joined: 17 Jul 2004 Posts: 741
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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I bought ten different hot sauces at Soriana to bring back to my dad, but there were only nine in the bag when I got home (to my apartment, not to Canada). The receipt did show all ten. Alas. It's actually kind of sad because the one that was missing had the prettiest packaging. |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Jetgirly wrote: |
I bought ten different hot sauces at Soriana to bring back to my dad, but there were only nine in the bag when I got home (to my apartment, not to Canada). The receipt did show all ten. Alas. It's actually kind of sad because the one that was missing had the prettiest packaging. |
That sucks. I guess I'll keep counting and checking everything at checkout. Thanks for the info. |
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veroax
Joined: 31 Jan 2007 Posts: 57 Location: Bogot�, Colombia
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not inclined to think that this is a really widespread problem. It would be really bad for business, so I'd think the management would immediately do something as soon as they caught wind of something strange. And it would be easy to catch them... I mean where exactly are they hiding all these bottles of salsa? Once caught, I'm sure the kids would be in some kind of trouble... lose the job and get a bad reference at least. I'm not saying it could never happen. There are always a few schemers out there who want to see what they can get away with and don't care about the fallout. And I guess it's always a good idea to keep an idea on your stuff. But this still isn't something I'd be worrying about all that much. |
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dixie

Joined: 23 Apr 2006 Posts: 644 Location: D.F
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I have had this happen to me enough times that I do not find it odd when it occurs (although it does piss me off).
However, I do not think its so much about the kid trying to steal something, as it is about the fact that they don't pay any attention to what they are doing, and so they overlook an item, or end up putting it into the bag of the person behind you (because the cashier is also not paying much attention and just keeps flinging things down at them, not bothering to assist by waiting, or separating where they fling). |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Jul 03, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dixie's got the right idea here...we're talking kids at busy grocery stores, and not a lot of financial incentive to pay a lot of attention to what's going on. The conspiracy theorists can breathe easy. |
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