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dfields3



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Making extra money on the side? Reply with quote

I have been trying to get my stuff together for a while in order to come teach in Mexico but I was wondering if I should bring my massage table. I have been a licensed massage therapist for years and make good money either full time or on the side during slow season. I was wondering if massage is common in mexico and if it would even be worth my time bringing the table down there (it's rather large but it's portable). Would it be against the law to practice in Mexico without a lisence even if i'm just working out of my home for extra money on the side. I really don't want to have to deal with licensing in Mexico just because I know i'll probably have to get another diploma apostillized and deal with the fees that go along with it. Also having to report that money to the government when i'm there on a FM3 visa for teaching. I work under the table all the time here in Atlanta (if i'm not working as an employee of a spa) out of my home with no problem so I was thinking it wouldn't be to big a deal. What do you guys think?
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throwdownyourcrutches



Joined: 02 Oct 2007
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Location: On the road to El Dorado

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote



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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I imagine, if you wanted to do things properly here in Mexico, that you'd have to get an independent visa as a massage therapist (FM3 Independiente with this activity specified).

I gathered from my last visit to immigration that an independent visa could be for practically anything, you'd just have to prove that it is your profession and that you're legally qualified to do it (for this you'd need apostilled qualifications). Once you have this visa you can register to pay taxes - it's not that complicated a process.

I've seen a lot of ads for massage here but I can never tell whether it's massage or "massage", if you know what I mean.
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dfields3



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: thanks Reply with quote

would it be a separate visa or would it be on the same visa as the teaching. If it isn't a complicated process I don't care about paying taxes and I am licensed in my country and have not broken any laws (to the guy who suggested I was). I just don't claim the money that I get from people who I massage in my home (I don't do it often enough to feel that I should claim it). My employer taxes my wages and if i massage someone in my home that money is mine.
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throwdownyourcrutches



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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notamiss



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: thanks Reply with quote

dfields3 wrote:
would it be a separate visa or would it be on the same visa as the teaching


The physical visa booklet is the same but the application process would probably be a separate, additional one since the credentials you'd be submitting are different. Any time you have a change of economic activity (change of employer, change of activity, additional activity) they make a new annotation in the visa booklet.

I see ads for massage (the kind you mean) fairly often, but I don't know how many of those might be professional therapists and how many might be self-taught/New Age types. Many of the ads suggest the latter kind.

dfields3 wrote:
Would it be against the law to practice in Mexico without a lisence even if i'm just working out of my home for extra money on the side. I really don't want to have to deal with licensing in Mexico just because I know i'll probably have to get another diploma apostillized and deal with the fees that go along with it. Also having to report that money to the government when i'm there on a FM3 visa for teaching. I work under the table all the time here in Atlanta (if i'm not working as an employee of a spa) out of my home with no problem so I was thinking it wouldn't be to big a deal. What do you guys think?


Regarding whether you could get in trouble if you didn't get registered on your visa as a massage therapist, take a look at this thread: http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=64253. Note the story of the person who got fined simply for teaching at another school besides the one she had on her visa. If someone told on you, it might be a bigger deal than you counted on.
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MELEE



Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think notamiss covered the legistics.
I have had massages here in Mexico--in the part of Mexico where I live I would expect to pay 50 to 150 pesos for a massage, 100 being average. I might pay a bit more if I knew the therapist was licesnced in the US, as here in Mexico, they generally learned either informally or in a brief training session of like a weekend or something. Also if you came to work where I work, you could probably make some good money off the other English teachers! But we work full time so you probably wouldn't have enough free time and energy to give massages on the side. As a side note, we also live several hours from our immigration office, so informal work isn't the same as in big cities. (Out of site, out of mind if you know what I mean).

I was also at a spa in Tezoatlan once and their massage therapist was a European, so there is also spa work available if you'd rather do that then teach English.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should be aware that, technically, it is supposed that to get a working visa, you should be applying for a job that a Mexican can't do. (Native English Teacher falls easily into that category), but in practice, this rule is rarely applied. And in the case of being self-employed, I would imagine it would be easier.

TLWH, I think most of those ads you've seen are for "massages". Wink
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TheLongWayHome



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
it is supposed that to get a working visa,

I shall be needing an explication of this traduction, sir. Wink
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is that Spanglish? Please correct for me, 'cos I don't see it! Embarassed
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MO39



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Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
Is that Spanglish? Please correct for me, 'cos I don't see it! Embarassed


You could say that it is supposed that is a bit formal, maybe more British? It might be more common to say you are supposed to...
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ontoit



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do the paperwork:

You won't have to look over your shoulder, and you'll never have to deal with the consequences of having the authorities become involved in your life.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontoit wrote:
Do the paperwork:

You won't have to look over your shoulder, and you'll never have to deal with the consequences of having the authorities become involved in your life.


Always the best advice! In this case, "When in Rome (or Col. Roma! Very Happy ), don't do as the Romans do!"
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