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Dude Love Japan



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:42 pm    Post subject: showing up in Tokyo in Sept looking for work Reply with quote

I'm 31 years old, Canadian, years of tefl exp in Korea and got a BA in English and a CELTA. If I just show up in Tokyo in September how can I find work and have Wednesday and Saturday evenings free? If that's impossible what's the closest I'll get and how? Thanks for your kind help.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless someone happens to know their employer is hiring for those specific blocks, you are just going to have to take your chances. Figure most places hire either for Mon to Fri, or that AFAIK the most common OTHER days off are Sunday and Tuesday.

You are going to need an employer to sponsor you for a work visa, so I wouldn't be too picky. Besides, with the flooded market as it is, it's a buyer's market, not a teacher's.

Why the restriction on Wed and Sat?
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Khyron



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2008 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you might or might not know, Shane English School can probably accommodate you. They're usually short of teachers, and there's a reason for that, but I'm sure if you offer to work on Sundays for them, they'd be happy to get you Wednesdays off. Most of their schools finish at 6pm, so you'd have a chance to make it to aikido practice or whatever you need to do. You'll miss the odd class, because they require you to work on one or two of your days off every month, but you'd get the majority of Wednesday/Saturday evenings off.
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stevenbhow



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: comments Reply with quote

Well, if you don't mind being an ALT September is good time to come to Japan. On most days you will work from 8 am to 4 pm, and have Saturday and Sunday off, so it should fit your schedule. Dispatch companies aren't the best organizations to work for by a long shot and conditions at the JHS can be pretty horrible as well, but it if you can tough it out you can probably find something better work wise eventually.
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
Unless someone happens to know their employer is hiring for those specific blocks, you are just going to have to take your chances. Figure most places hire either for Mon to Fri, or that AFAIK the most common OTHER days off are Sunday and Tuesday.

You are going to need an employer to sponsor you for a work visa, so I wouldn't be too picky. Besides, with the flooded market as it is, it's a buyer's market, not a teacher's.

Why the restriction on Wed and Sat?


I don't look at it this way. My last boss tried to hold it over my head that my visa was due up and they were going to sponsor me, so could I do this and that.....my answer....sorry, I can't. I eventually quit and it was a decent job too. The new boss was a Nova guy and everything turned into 'business'...ewwww!
Anyway, I always feel that with my experience and personality, I'm an asset to whomever I'm working for and I'm not going to settle for crap.

When you get here, you might have to get a job to sponsor your visa, and it might not give you Sat and Wed evenings free, but you can quit and find something that will....once you have the visa it's yours and in my opinion, there's a lot of work in Tokyo if this is where you are headed. There are always private lessons as well. Try registering on findstudents.net.
Good luck!
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Dude Love Japan



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 3:05 pm    Post subject: reply and one more q Reply with quote

thanks to everyone for their kind help. I'd be thrilled to be an ALT in Tokyo beginning in Sept. What's the best way to go about this? Incidentally, I can't really be in Tokyo before late August.
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ESLgeek



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many places you can work where you get to decide what days you'll work. I've accepted a job from Gaba and you get to work how ever many hours and days you want. You can get better pay elsewhere, but Gaba allows you to work part time in other jobs that would.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne_o wrote:
I don't look at it this way. My last boss tried to hold it over my head that my visa was due up and they were going to sponsor me, so could I do this and that.....my answer....sorry, I can't. I eventually quit and it was a decent job too. The new boss was a Nova guy and everything turned into 'business'...ewwww!
Anyway, I always feel that with my experience and personality, I'm an asset to whomever I'm working for and I'm not going to settle for crap.

When you get here, you might have to get a job to sponsor your visa, and it might not give you Sat and Wed evenings free, but you can quit and find something that will....once you have the visa it's yours and in my opinion, there's a lot of work in Tokyo if this is where you are headed. There are always private lessons as well. Try registering on findstudents.net.
Good luck!
But, anne, the trick, as I pointed out, was that you really don't have all that much option to pick that first job. You were talking about something different, namely what to do after the job was finished.

Yeah, sure you can take a job and then quit for greener pastures, but there are a few things to consider.
1. "Greener pastures" aren't necessarily that green. Unless you've been around a while, it's not easy to tell that.
2. Quitting early perpetuates the image of foreign teachers as deadbeats. Even for a job that is horrible, the image is still there. Chicken and egg sort of thing, of course, and I wouldn't advocate staying in a bad position, but you almost make it sound as if one should just get a job for the sake of the visa, and then bail out after doing a little job hunting.
3. Job hunting once a person has just landed affords one greater opportunities than hunting from abroad, but newcomers still have to get used to the lay of the land and the employment situation they are starting. This is sort of a repeat of #1, in that you don't always know what is out there when you first get here, but it's not that simple to find out when you are trying to get used to the job, living conditions, and the new culture all at the same time.
4. Quitting before the contract is up will negate any end of year bonus you get, and that often makes up for airfare.

ESLgeek wrote:
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There are many places you can work where you get to decide what days you'll work. I've accepted a job from Gaba and you get to work how ever many hours and days you want. You can get better pay elsewhere, but Gaba allows you to work part time in other jobs that would.
You can get more than just "better pay" from that employer! Not a stellar reputation. How long have you been there?
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stevenbhow



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:53 pm    Post subject: Comments Reply with quote

Start hitting the job listings now. Send out your resume and a CV telling the companies when you will be in Japan. See if you can set up an interview. With your degree, Celta, and experience I don't think you will have a problem landing a job. Most of the dispatch companies lose teachers after the summer holiday.
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anne_o



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glenski wrote:
anne_o wrote:
I don't look at it this way. My last boss tried to hold it over my head that my visa was due up and they were going to sponsor me, so could I do this and that.....my answer....sorry, I can't. I eventually quit and it was a decent job too. The new boss was a Nova guy and everything turned into 'business'...ewwww!
Anyway, I always feel that with my experience and personality, I'm an asset to whomever I'm working for and I'm not going to settle for crap.

When you get here, you might have to get a job to sponsor your visa, and it might not give you Sat and Wed evenings free, but you can quit and find something that will....once you have the visa it's yours and in my opinion, there's a lot of work in Tokyo if this is where you are headed. There are always private lessons as well. Try registering on findstudents.net.
Good luck!
But, anne, the trick, as I pointed out, was that you really don't have all that much option to pick that first job. You were talking about something different, namely what to do after the job was finished.

Yeah, sure you can take a job and then quit for greener pastures, but there are a few things to consider.
1. "Greener pastures" aren't necessarily that green. Unless you've been around a while, it's not easy to tell that.
2. Quitting early perpetuates the image of foreign teachers as deadbeats. Even for a job that is horrible, the image is still there. Chicken and egg sort of thing, of course, and I wouldn't advocate staying in a bad position, but you almost make it sound as if one should just get a job for the sake of the visa, and then bail out after doing a little job hunting.
3. Job hunting once a person has just landed affords one greater opportunities than hunting from abroad, but newcomers still have to get used to the lay of the land and the employment situation they are starting. This is sort of a repeat of #1, in that you don't always know what is out there when you first get here, but it's not that simple to find out when you are trying to get used to the job, living conditions, and the new culture all at the same time.
4. Quitting before the contract is up will negate any end of year bonus you get, and that often makes up for airfare.

ESLgeek wrote:
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There are many places you can work where you get to decide what days you'll work. I've accepted a job from Gaba and you get to work how ever many hours and days you want. You can get better pay elsewhere, but Gaba allows you to work part time in other jobs that would.
You can get more than just "better pay" from that employer! Not a stellar reputation. How long have you been there?


Glenski....

1. Not true, unless you're an idiot and don't know what you want and how the business works.
2. Just what I did last summer with Nova before they went bankrupt. Many of these places are just like any other business or corporate....they use their employees and.......some people are bright enough not to be a puppet, others....well??
And as far as image...I don't really care, and represent myself as honestly and truthfully as I possibly can when interviewing.
People can think what they want.
3. One can do research and understand the situation before coming to a new place to teach.....COMMON SENSE....but, yes, many lack this.
4. Sometimes loss of airfare, etc, just isn't worth it. Some people are in this business for different reasons.

Every case is different.......people live differently and teach for different reasons. I know several people here that do acting work, teach yoga, write, etc, and work for Gaba part time and this works really well for them.
I don't know much about Gaba and am not interested in working for them for MY reasons. I trained at Nova for 3 days and to tell you the truth, while the company was crap, the system they had set-up worked and the students enjoyed learning English and could speak really well.....and the other teachers I met there seemed to be enjoying their lives much more than some of the others I've worked with and met here.
Nova was just not for me....but again, the thing to understand, is that everyone is different.
Who are you to try to discourage people from working somewhere?
Some of us enjoy teaching and are good at it, but it's a job....that's all....we are not saving the world.

Again, good luck to the o.p.....an ALT position should give him the evenings free!!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

anne,
I think you have pretty much answered a lot of your own questions. You wrote things like:

re: greener pastures not being so green or evident
Not true, unless you're an idiot and don't know what you want and how the business works.

re: not knowing what it out there before one quits a contract early
One can do research and understand the situation before coming to a new place to teach.....COMMON SENSE....but, yes, many lack this.

I've been on this forum and others for over 10 years. There are a lot of people who don't have the common sense or basic research motivation that you mentioned. Those are the people I targeted in my response earlier.

As for the other remarks you made (airfare sometimes not being worth it, every case is different, being a corporate puppet), you and I are on the same page. Since we don't know what the OP's situation is, I chose to err on the side of caution and mention a few of the down sides of quitting a contract early. It is not meant to "discourage people from working somewhere", as you put it.

You may not care about the image of other foreigners here. I do. I live here. I have no problem with people quitting a contract early if the conditions there are bad, but I think it is only fair to point out that if a person just wants to quit because he thinks he can find something better elsewhere, there will be repercussions. Some are evident directly to that person (loss of bonus), and others are more underlying and pervasive on other foreigners as a whole. Like I mentioned, it's a chicken and egg thing, so I'm trying to show that unless one's conditions are bad, why perpetuate the cycle? In other words, give sufficient notice. That's after one has done the basic research into hunting for the next job (and apartment), of course. It's not "saving the world", just saving a little of our reputation here.

Yes, teaching (like many other things) is a job, but lots of newcomers don't see it that way. They see it only as a means to earn enough money to get drunk and laid and sightsee. This can give the rest of us a negative image (which affects job prospects long-term, and that is the crux of why I often write the way I do, not to discourage people from coming here).
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Re: showing up in Tokyo in Sept looking for work Reply with quote

Dude Love Japan wrote:
I'm 31 years old, Canadian, years of tefl exp in Korea and got a BA in English and a CELTA.


Korean experience may be accepted by some employers, many will still see you as a newbie (If it isn't Japanese experience, or your home country -and for home country, only then because it seems to add some professionalism-, it doesn't really count because 'We Japanese are different!') A CELTA doesn't mean a while lot here, although just saying you have a certificate can open some jobs up- especially in high schools (it's just that they often don't really know the differences between them, and if you say that CELTA is a British qualification, you may meet the "We Japanese teach American English! Shall I open the window for you? You mustn't worry about the heat in this country! Would you like some tea?"). Age- won't matter. You may get asked why you aren't married when they ask you your age (and they WILL ask you your age!)

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If I just show up in Tokyo in September how can I find work and have Wednesday and Saturday evenings free? If that's impossible what's the closest I'll get and how? Thanks for your kind help.


As others have said, ALT jobs are usually day only (although more and more they are Monday through Sat, but Saturday you leave a couple of hours early and you only work a little over half of them). September is not a good time to look for that kind of work, though. Another poster said that most of the dispatch companies lose people over the summer. I don't know if I'd say MOST of them, and it certainly isnt a huge number of positions, but there are SOME. However, anybody with half an ounce of decency will tell their company that they won't be back after summer (as in giving notice) giving them the summer to find someone- that means that by September most positions have been filled because that's when school actually starts. The replacements usually start in September, but are hired in August, meaning you arrive one month too late for all but the companies they weren't given notice, ignored it, or the replacement showed up and couldn't hack it.

The chances of approaching an eikaiwa or juku and getting Saturday nights off when you first start are SLIM to say the least. EVERYONE wants Saturday off, so the more senior employees are more likely to be accomodated than a newbie.

I think I should point out that for people who work for eikaiwas and jukus- they may leave all the time, but if you are in a private or public high school, then that's not after school training, that's the kids' main education. I think people in regular school settings should be a LOT less willing to leave (unless the conditions are HORRIBLE) then in eikaiwas, because not only is it the kids' main education, there usually aren't people available to fill in like in eikaiwas. You may be the ONLY foreign teacher at the school (that's been the situation at every school I've ever worked at).
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