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gringojoe
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 26
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: Ageism? |
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Was on another teacher's forum based in Asia and read that if you are over the age of 35 you might as well forget about teaching in Mexico!
Thought I'd better come on over to this forum and check with the expats who are actually in the country.
Is there any truth to what I've read or not? |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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No need to rely on inaccurate statements from teachers in Asia! While there are a few schools (possibly not the best ones) which have upper age limits for hiring teachers, this is not generally the case in Mexico, at least not in Mexico City. For example, as someone in her early 60s, I haven't experienced any ageism while looking for work. |
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notamiss

Joined: 20 Jun 2007 Posts: 908 Location: El 5o pino del la CDMX
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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In short, no. There are several members of this forum who are considerably older than 35 and doing well in Mexico.
What you heard may be based on the fact that in general, Mexican job ads are allowed de facto (if not de jure) to specify age, marital status and/or sex, and the occasional school does so. |
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El Gallo

Joined: 05 Feb 2007 Posts: 318
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: |
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Age can be a problem for school owners who provide health insurance.
Policies for those over 55 are very expensive so owners avoid these older teachers.
Some schools, like Interlink in Tuxtla, are just snobby and like their image of having only young teachers. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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El Gallo wrote: |
Age can be a problem for school owners who provide health insurance.
Policies for those over 55 are very expensive so owners avoid these older teachers.
Some schools, like Interlink in Tuxtla, are just snobby and like their image of having only young teachers. |
I can understand the point about health insurance being very high for older teachers, but how many schools actually provide health insurance for their staff?
Re the snobby school in Tuxtla, why is having young teachers seen as adding something positive to its image? |
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ls650

Joined: 10 May 2003 Posts: 3484 Location: British Columbia
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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United English advertise regularly that they only want teachers under a certain age; 35, I think.
Most schools in Mexico do not exhibit such prejudice, and a good teacher who happens to be older will not have any difficulties finding work. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I hardly need to add to what has already been said, but I will add another no! Any school that has that policy is not worth working for. I was 39 when I first started looking for jobs. (Now 45). |
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Guy Courchesne

Joined: 10 Mar 2003 Posts: 9650 Location: Mexico City
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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No way. Have never seen anything of ageism in Mexico, across the country in my work. Notamiss's point about discriminatory job ads is correct, but that seems more local than for foreign teachers. |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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Phil_K wrote: |
I hardly need to add to what has already been said, but I will add another no! Any school that has that policy is not worth working for. |
That's a good point, Phil. |
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MELEE

Joined: 22 Jan 2003 Posts: 2583 Location: The Mexican Hinterland
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Heck 35 year olds are spring chickens, right? |
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Prof.Gringo

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 2236 Location: Dang Cong San Viet Nam Quang Vinh Muon Nam!
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
El Gallo wrote: |
Age can be a problem for school owners who provide health insurance.
Policies for those over 55 are very expensive so owners avoid these older teachers.
Some schools, like Interlink in Tuxtla, are just snobby and like their image of having only young teachers. |
I can understand the point about health insurance being very high for older teachers, but how many schools actually provide health insurance for their staff?
Re the snobby school in Tuxtla, why is having young teachers seen as adding something positive to its image? |
It could be the idea that younger people are more energetic and enthusiastic. Maybe also less "set" in their ways. Now before I get a firestorm of responses, I am NOT advocating these viewpoints, just throwing them out there.
Another perspective to consider: People under 25 are often seen as irresponsible, prone to party too much, have a general lack of responsibility and be unfocused. What about those over 55? Perhaps the following: Close to retirement, looking to just get by til they can retire, the kids are gone and the house paid for so I don't have to work as hard anymore, tired, "stuck" in the past, etc.
While those 25 to 45 would be perceived to be more responsible, have a spouse, kids, car and house payments, experienced yet flexible. Career motivated and in the "prime" of life.
Once again, I don't actually agree with all of those statements, just some ideas on how age can be perceived, in Mexico or another place.
I don't think that an ESL teacher would have any major problems finding work due to age. Most of the schools which have age requirements are crappy chain language schools which most people only work at as a first job at the most.
Besides, the good money that's here to be had is in schools teaching kids and I've seen everybody from 22 to well over 60 teaching in the schools I've been in. |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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MELEE wrote: |
Heck 35 year olds are spring chickens, right? |
...and 45 year olds (well, this one at least!) |
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MO39

Joined: 28 Jan 2004 Posts: 1970 Location: El ombligo de la Rep�blica Mexicana
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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What kind of chicken are you after spring is long past...?  |
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Phil_K
Joined: 25 Jan 2007 Posts: 2041 Location: A World of my Own
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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MO39 wrote: |
What kind of chicken are you after spring is long past...?  |
A fall guy (or gal)? (Groan) |
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gringojoe
Joined: 28 Feb 2007 Posts: 26
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replies. I guess I need not worry as I'm only 45 but thought I'd better find out before I decide to make the move south of the border! |
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