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Teaching English in Guadalajara
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cuzzywuz



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Teaching English in Guadalajara Reply with quote

Hi folks!

I was very fortunate to have been able to live in Guadalajara back in the 90's for almost 6 years. I learned the language (Spanish). I'm a little rusty now however.

I am interested in returning to live there, but I would like to teach English. What do I need as far as degrees go to do this? Does anyone know of a place in Guadalajara that hires English teachers? I have never taught English before so I'm starting from square one.

I would appreciate any help you people can give me.

Thank You
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cuzzywuz



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't understand. Going to China does not answer what I was asking\. What do you mean Fuzzx?
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cc227



Joined: 13 May 2008
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no china necessary. more experience = better job and more money, of course. however, there are tons of schools to teach at in GDL. everything from traveling to business teaching one hour classes to working in language schools. i passed up a better paying traveling job to work at a small school with kids and avoid the hassle of running around the city. just show up and you'll be surprised, i got two offers my first day here.
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

FuzzX wrote:
I always suggest going to China because its the easiest place to get into as far as ESL goes, the language schools there are fairly poor so you can get your wings in China if you haven't got any teaching experience or education and its mostly safe.

If you have a degree goto Korea or Japan... easy road.



....a bit strange advice sending someone to China first before Mexico to get experience?

you could easily come with a backpack and $2000 cash and start at a very decent language school in Mexico. during your first year study up at night the grammar books and you'll be fine. maybe even get a TEFL while you're there.

i've seen some excellent teachers that were drama students, etc that come down with 0 hours and were equal to or better than the "long-timers" that had 2-3 years experience.

I've always felt Korea was more of a place to pay off student loans, debts...i just wouldn't send someone halfway around the world. that would be more of a culture shock than standing in front of 20 students.
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jillford64



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cuzzywuz,

There are plenty of places to teach English in Guadalajara.

If you want to teach legally in Mexico, you will need something to prove that you are qualified to teach english in order to get an FM3 (the document that authorizes you to work). Just speaking the language isn't good enough. You will need a degree in English, a TESL/TEFL certificate, or something along those lines. There are several schools in Mexico (one in Guadalajara even) where you can get a TESL/TEFL certificate with an observed practice teaching component. This would be a reasonably-priced way to get yourself better prepared to be in the classroom and meet the requirements for the immigration office.

If you don't want to teach legally, you could just bring your backpack, some cash, and come on down. There are jobs available for native-speakers with no credentials and experience, but they may not be the best jobs in terms of pay and work environment.
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Samantha



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

john in maine wrote:
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you could easily come with a backpack and $2000 cash and start at a very decent language school in Mexico


Easily?? Hardly. This is very misleading advice to give someone who has no related credentials or experience in teaching. I don't know when you last lived or taught in Mexico, John, but things have obviously since changed and "very decent" language schools require trained teachers who can work legally.
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john_n_carolina



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 4:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

...yeah i didn't review the post after my message...i meant to put "get the TEFL before you come..."

but anyways, i assume he's got a college degree , sounds good to me Smile

i was more taken aback by the poster Fuzzx who suggested doing a MarcoPolo and heading to the land of fine teas and spices before Mexico. maybe, i got a bit restive reading that post and was caught up in the emotion on top of babysitting a 2 year old Smile
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J Sevigny



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Fuzz. With a little experience and a little dancing around immigration requirements, you don't need a degree here. I�ve never shown anyone anything more than an ESL certificate and I've been here for eight years.
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ls650



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What works in one area of Mexico isn't necessarily true for other locations...

If the OP isn't fussy about where he/she works, then yes, the OP can find teaching work in Mexico without a degree. However, if you want a job that pays a better wage or offers better conditions, the more "pieces of paper" you have, the more opportunities you'll have for good jobs.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FuzzX wrote:
gimme a break, you don't need a degree for ANY kind of teaching in Mexico.
A buddy of mine out in DF was a factory worker for most of his life before packing it all up and heading out. He clears about 40000 (PESOS) per month doing privates. NO DEGREE and NO PROBLEMS, got his FM3 without much trouble and has been at it for 6 or 7 years now. He is a crazy m*therf*cker though... I suggested China because you can go there a develop the street smarts you'll need for Mexico.



Your first statement is not true if you're thinking of working at any sort of university or prepa with a good reputation - I'm thinking of places like the Tec de Monterrey and similar schools.

Re your friend the factory worker, I wonder what sorts of stories about his background he told on his resume! I can't imagine that any of my students or Mexican friends would want to study English with someone with little formal education and no teaching experience. Just putting in my two-cents'worth...
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jillford64



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one said a degree was required. If you have a TESL certificate, you will be able to get an FM3.
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Oreen Scott



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My journey to teaching ESL/EFL has been a three year process.

To begin with, I have a BA and a certificate in Communications with a specialty in Public Relations, and many years of working in the newspaper business.

I wondered if I might make a good teacher. My major focus was being as professional as I could be. If I was going to teach I was going to be the best teacher I could be, I felt I owed that to my students.

I began by tutoring. I thought I would be a language partner, which simply meant hanging out with someone whose first language was other than English. As a tutor I felt, and looking back, truly was, over my head. But my student and I worked well together for about 18 months. And, I discovered I like and am a good teacher.

My next step was to volunteer with an adult ESL class. The ESL teacher of the class was my refree into the CTESL program at the University of Manitoba. And I needed a referee or I wouldn't have been accepted.

For a year I worked full-time, went to school part-time and volunteered as a TA in ESL classrooms, working with students at different levels.

Upon completion of my course work I applied for Canadian accreditation. In order to be accredited I needed a BA and a CTESL from a recognized institution. I'm an accredited ESL teacher of adults. My accreditation is interim until I get 1,000 hours of classroom teaching under my belt.

I've had all my documents certified by the Canadian Department of Foreign Affairs. My documents are now in the hands of an English to Spanish translator.

Before I leave Canada I will pay a visit to the Mexican Consulate to have my translated documents legalized.

All of this has taken time, money and energy.

So, when posters here talk about not needing any credentials I get a little testy.

I think people who do not think of TEFL as a serious profession are doing their students a great disservice.

Sometimes I go as far as to wonder if just coming down to Mexico without credentials is insulting the Mexican people.

As far as I'm concerned I have the minimum qualifications needed to teach EFL - and I am a good teacher, working for the first time for pay, but since it's a tutoring job rather than in the classroom, it doesn't count toward my accreditation.

Crossing the border soon - excited with a tinge of nervousness - I've made a lot of sacrifices to get to this point.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreen Scott wrote:


So, when posters here talk about not needing any credentials I get a little testy.

I think people who do not think of TEFL as a serious profession are doing their students a great disservice.

Sometimes I go as far as to wonder if just coming down to Mexico without credentials is insulting the Mexican people.



I agree with you Oreen. With all of your credentials and experience, I'm sure you're find a great job in Mexico.

But you must keep in mind that many schools here will hire people with minimum qualifications (like a TEFL certificate that took all of a month to get) and pay them accordingly because all they're interested in is making a profit from their unwitting students. And to get an FM3 only requires that you have a certificate, not a degree. So many people with more "attitude" than sense (or the ability to be a professional teacher) come down here and use their personality to get a job in a not-very-good school or sell themselves to private business students on the basis of a fancy suit, nicely-printed business cards, and a slick sales pitch!
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Milenka



Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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Location: Mexico City

PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oreen Scott wrote:


All of this has taken time, money and energy.

So, when posters here talk about not needing any credentials I get a little testy.

I think people who do not think of TEFL as a serious profession are doing their students a great disservice.

Sometimes I go as far as to wonder if just coming down to Mexico without credentials is insulting the Mexican people.

As far as I'm concerned I have the minimum qualifications needed to teach EFL - and I am a good teacher, working for the first time for pay, but since it's a tutoring job rather than in the classroom, it doesn't count toward my accreditation.

Crossing the border soon - excited with a tinge of nervousness - I've made a lot of sacrifices to get to this point.


Thanks for sharing your story, Oreen. I wholeheartedly agree with your appreciation of teaching as a profession and not just a way to get yourself out of your home country and travel the world or manage to survive in what you think is a "cheap" country. Your thoughts reflect mine on my own profession: translation and interpretation. I also get testy when I read comments like "I lost my job and will now turn into translations... how do you folks deal with that?"

Feel free to contact me privately if interested in meeting with a Mexican who shares your views.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Milenka wrote:

Thanks for sharing your story, Oreen. I wholeheartedly agree with your appreciation of teaching as a profession and not just a way to get yourself out of your home country and travel the world or manage to survive in what you think is a "cheap" country. Your thoughts reflect mine on my own profession: translation and interpretation. I also get testy when I read comments like "I lost my job and will now turn into translations... how do you folks deal with that?"

Feel free to contact me privately if interested in meeting with a Mexican who shares your views.


Maybe all of us "testy" teachers and translators who are in the D.F. should get together soon and talk about all this. But what do you do about people looking for an English teacher or a translator who are only interested in finding the ones who charge the least, not the ones who know what they're doing?!
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