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parrothead

Joined: 02 Nov 2003 Posts: 342 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| No smile, nod, or other acknowledgment of me as a person, but just kept staring right into my face. This is an extreme example (I suspect she was playing a mind game with me) |
Ahh, the old Gaijin Mind Trick... |
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ripslyme

Joined: 29 Jan 2005 Posts: 481 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:29 am Post subject: |
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Remember folks, staring at foreigners is a time-honored tradition here in Japan. If you don't love it, then you're a bigot and you should go back to where you came from. Because you're all from racist hellholes anyway. Stop oppressing Japanese culture.
And the next time you're wronged in some way, remember that you shouldn't complain, because so many others have it much worse than you.
Turned away from a restaurant? Some people are denied medical services!
Stared at for looking different? Some people are squirrel-handed!
Groped on the train? Some people are raped!
Punched in the face? Some people are beaten with chains!
Home vandalized? Some people's home systems are disintegrated by the Death Star!
Everybody's life is different, but most people's lives are much worse than yours. No two people are not on fire. |
Oh, this is a great line of thinking.
Separate facilities (schools, restrooms, water fountains, etc) for whites and minorities? Some people don't even have these facilities to begin with!
Minorities sit in the back of the bus? Some people don't even have bus access! |
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Vince
Joined: 05 May 2003 Posts: 559 Location: U.S.
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:16 pm Post subject: |
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| parrothead wrote: |
| Ahh, the old Gaijin Mind Trick... |
Maybe she was a Jedi nerd , but there seemed to be obstinance in her face when I did the double-take. |
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bluefrog
Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Posts: 87 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Ahh, the old Gaijin Mind Trick... |
"You want to go home and rethink your life (I want to go home and rethink my life)"
Actually Vince's story reminded me of an old guy that was glaring at a young lady on the train. She got so uncomfortable that she shielded her face with her hand and eventually changed seats. I guess that's one tactic to dealing with the stares. |
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tokyo story
Joined: 07 Sep 2005 Posts: 40
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Posted: Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Depends on how you define self-conscious. |
Worried about being stared at... Spending any amount of time trying to interpret what that stare means.
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Bit of a toss up there, though I'd opt to not listen to people that tell me that these things haven't happened or that I haven't been discriminated against sometimes. Have you noticed how many real friends you have? You can make friends with Japanese, but I would say usually they are not 'close' friends. This could just be modern times and modern trends too, though. |
Depends on what you define as a close friend. I have two or three people I'd consider close friends. Dunno what the test is.
Anyway, people can have a bit of a laugh and joke about the Japanese. Some of its funny, true even... but they're quick to get all uppity when they feel discriminated against. |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Depends on what you define as a close friend. I have two or three people I'd consider close friends. Dunno what the test is. |
I'm not saying it's impossible, but you will generally find that even with people you can be friendly with, they are not the types to stay in touch usually. But as I said earlier, this is becoming more common all over, not just in Japan. |
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onesentiment
Joined: 22 Nov 2007 Posts: 45
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Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 8:24 am Post subject: |
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I get the feeling this has a lot to do with confidence. The less confidence you have, the more you let the outside world get to you. Actually, I was in the "what the hell are they staring phase" until I said to myself, "Well, they don't know who I really am, so what's the point of getting worked up?". I started changing my mindset and everything else started to change. Why kill yourself over stares and stupid questions? The only advice I can give is to think outside-in instead of inside-out, -- if you believe the world is against you it will be ultra-difficult to think this way. Maybe you're already coming up with rebuttals as of right now. These are all internal problems within you and a shell you've created for yourself.
Some people here did bring up some good points on true discrimination and the 'bigger fish to fry' analogy. That might work for you, but if you're close-minded, you will always see yourself as the victim and never be able to get out of that mindset. I'm not really talking to anyone specifically. This is just the overall aura I get from this board. If you got slightly offended by it, then it probably applies to you. |
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AgentMulderUK

Joined: 22 Sep 2003 Posts: 360 Location: Concrete jungle (Tokyo)
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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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Another way of looking at it is:
I am tired of being looked at BY freaks day in, day out.
Take that as you will. |
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Bozo Yoroshiku

Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 139 Location: the Chocolate Side of the Force
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:52 am Post subject: |
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Another way of looking at it is:
I am tired of being looked at BY freaks day in, day out.
Take that as you will. |
I am not a freak!! ... uh, wait, oh I see, that is the word "by", not the initials B.Y.
Sumimasen. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:16 am Post subject: up and down |
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To respond to KYdynamic's original post -
I've been in Japan 6 years now in the same neighbourhood, and for the most part, enjoy it.
Like you, I'm only 5ft 4in, dark haired (I even dyed it dark brown for a while), and if I pull my hat down or dip my parasol, nobody notices that I'm not a Japanese.
Lately, I've been pleasantly surprised by how accepted I am in my own neighbourhood, a small city east of Tokyo. When I come home in the evening, there is always someone I know that I meet on the way home, gaijins and locals.
A curious thing has happened a lot lately - people asking *me* stuff. Last week, on the way to a temple in the next city over, an elderly lady asked me for help. She couldn't read the labels on the vending machine and asked me to read to her. When she realized I wasn't Japanese, she said, "My, you speak Japanese well, and thanks for your help."
It's not only visually impaired old ladies, either. My cab driver the other night was asking me advice on local onsens, and yesterday a woman at the bus stop who was a little lost, asked me tabout the schedule, and I helped her on her way.
I have crap days, too, when people do a double take not because I'm cute or something, but merely because I'm a gaijin. Older salarymen stand too close on the train because they're curious about the exotic gaijin lady, like I'm a curiousity rather than a person.
As an antidote to the gaijin curiousity problem, I open my mouth. Being gentle is better. On the train I asked a guy in a whisper, would he mind please not leaning on my shoulder like that? And behold, he backed away.
Perhaps this is a bit....odd... but on the train I have two means of emotional self defense. I either study a book or mark my student's work, or knit so that I don't meet people's eyes. I'm too busy with my task. Some friendly people remark on my knitting or the material I'm reading. Starting a conversation that isn't about my freak gaijin status but about something that interests me and others has the potential to break down barriers.
I like onesentiment said
Look for healthy people who want to know you for who you are, not what you are. It's a tough thing, but I've dropped some so-called friends who simply liked the attention they got being with a gaijin, and kept close people who I like for who they are, just as they like me for who I am.
So, fry your fleak flag high  |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:04 am Post subject: |
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I like onesentiment said
Look for healthy people who want to know you for who you are, not what you are. It's a tough thing, but I've dropped some so-called friends who simply liked the attention they got being with a gaijin, and kept close people who I like for who they are, just as they like me for who I am.
So, fry your fleak flag high |
Nah, I'd like mine baked please .
Is it just me, but I notice that foreign women have an easier time making Japanese friends here (but usually they are other women)? I would guess that they are seen as less threatening and probably (not always) that they are a little more in tune with what people mean rather than what they say.
And yes, talking about what people do rather than who they are is better for starting conversations. |
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TokyoLiz
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 1548 Location: Tokyo, Japan
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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Gaijinalways,
Oh, dude, you don't know. I have so few female friends. I think it's a result of my pickiness - I don't have time to talk about clothes, makeup, superficial stuff. I like deep, complicated women who want to talk about The Things that Matter (the title of an anthology of poetry my brother gave me many years ago). The few women I keep close are women I can talk to about what's eating me, or about my victories, and I'm there to listen when they have trouble, or when they're on fire about something.
I'm sorry you perceive it as easier for women to meet women; it seems to imply that it is harder for men, you included, to meet men you can make lasting friendships with. I hope it is otherwise...
You foreign-looking dudes, I have deep sympathy with. You cannot hide. Me, I can disappear in a crowd, be utterly annonymous if I feel like it. You dudes are often too big, too standout, to have the same chance. In one respect, I'm jealous. People approach you rather easily.
When my blond, blue eyed, hunky younger brother was here, we hardly had a train trip or a day out when people didn't start up a conversation with him. He was a standout for his gaijinness - he was passing through on his way home from Thailand to Canada, and radiated a foreign aura. Salarymen, ojisans, obasans, high school kids wouldn't leave him alone. He felt like a celebrity, but was very happy to go home. He'd had enough of standing out. Thais, by contrast, just treat you like a regular dude.
Anyway, I am sure there are genuine, interesting and interested people for you to meet out there. There are only 120,000,000 Japanese folks, so you're bound to meet one or two with whom you can relate.
Oh, dude, don't talk to this Bongcouver born girl about the baked not fried issue...  |
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gaijinalways
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 2279
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2008 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Don't worry, I only include one bad joke per post (compared to my classes, where my students have to suffer through more, both in Japanese and in English ).
I know myself, I don't make enough of an effort to go out and mingle sometimes. One problem I have is I don't always want to go out drinking, a common way of socializing in Japan. That, and sometimes work is just busy and I don't take advantage of some invitations.
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| You cannot hide. Me, I can disappear in a crowd, be utterly annonymous if I feel like it. You dudes are often too big, too standout, to have the same chance. In one respect, I'm jealous. People approach you rather easily. |
Or just whisper 'Oki' behind your back.
Don't worry, don't be jealous, the fame is fleeting (at least that's what I tell myself as long as they deposit money in my account). |
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